Obama speech and 23 executive actions to reduce gun violence (rifles, cheap, range)

[Magnum Mike]

Originally Posted by ScoPro

Does that mean he's going to allow Mexico to extradite Eric Holder for supplying the weapons used in the massacre of 16 innocent Mexican teenagers at that Juarez birthday party a couple years ago?

LOL.. now that's a thought. Somebody should also make Holder and his department responsible for the murder of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry in the Fast & Furious debacle.

[Chango]

Originally Posted by liquidicevapor

Which ones do you support? Are there any you are against? Or is there more that you believe he could have done?

TBH, from what i've seen, firearm prices across the board have gone up, and in my opinion AR-15's and related weapons are not likely to come down in price any time soon due to the number that are on back-order. Magazines certainly will not.

I'm not against any of the EOs. I am also for universal background checks on purchases.

I am STRONGLY against any bans or magazine limits on the federal level; I think letting individual states decide that on their own is a better way to deal with it. After all we just have to face the facts; the average resident of New York, Chicago or Los Angles just isn't responsible enough to handle a gun safely.

As for the price increases, they are all about dealers taking advantage of panicky buyers. Once a federal AWB fails they will drop back down overnight.

[swagger]

Originally Posted by Chango

As for the price increases, they are all about dealers taking advantage of panicky buyers. Once a federal AWB fails they will drop back down overnight.

I hope so... What little bit that's available right now is absolutely insanely priced.

[Earlyretired]

Originally Posted by Magnum Mike

All those steps Obama suggested do nothing but create bigger and more costly government. The only way to reduce and even eliminate violent crimes, whether guns, knives, baseball bats, or cars are involved, is raise children properly and let them know that there will be punishment for murder, both in this life, and possibly eternal life. Teach them that there is a meaning to one of the Ten Commandments that says: Thou Shall Not Murder, and let them know that there is nothing "cool" about being in a gang or spending time in prison.

I can confirm this works

[WhipperSnapper 88]

Originally Posted by liquidicevapor

Can you elaborate on which provisions you think will do the most good to curb gun violence?

I feel the univeral background check proposal is the best and most common sensicle by far. How can anyone be against bakground checks? And the fact that people can buy firearms without background checks at gun shows or at a kitchen table, frankly, undermines the entire concept of the NICS system......

I guess I'm one of the supposed 70% of NRA members that feel this way.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

I feel the univeral background check proposal is the best and most common sensicle by far. How can anyone be against bakground checks? And the fact that people can buy firearms without background checks at gun shows or at a kitchen table, frankly, undermines the entire concept of the NICS system......

I guess I'm one of the supposed 70% of NRA members that feel this way.

I've got guns I paid $25 for. Cheap older guns. I'm not paying $30 to a dealer on top of that (and if it's required, I have no doubt dealers will jack that up many times). No criminals are going to run to a dealer to do a background check on each other.

[Bily Lovec]

Here in Texas when most of us handle a private transaction we only sell to a fellow CHL holder.
That itself is the equivalent to a background check.

[liquidicevapor]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

I feel the univeral background check proposal is the best and most common sensicle by far. How can anyone be against bakground checks? And the fact that people can buy firearms without background checks at gun shows or at a kitchen table, frankly, undermines the entire concept of the NICS system......

I guess I'm one of the supposed 70% of NRA members that feel this way.

This would require background check when a parent gives a firearm to their child or between family members.

[ElkHunter]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

I feel the univeral background check proposal is the best and most common sensicle by far. How can anyone be against bakground checks? And the fact that people can buy firearms without background checks at gun shows or at a kitchen table, frankly, undermines the entire concept of the NICS system......

I guess I'm one of the supposed 70% of NRA members that feel this way.

This is kind of misunderstood. People should be saying private sales because gun shows are not some big curtain of protection. FFL dealers still run background checks at gun shows. it is only private sales at gin shows that do not require checks.

Nomenclature like that is what fuses stupid laws. I know of one state that wanted to completely stop gun shows because of it and the state legislature even argued that "No sales require background checks at gun shows and that is wrong. Only private sales get by.

So, when I want to pass down my old rifle to my son who is a veteran of two tours in Iraq, I ha e to go pay a dealer, their required fee, and have a NCIS check run on him, in order to transfer my 100 year old rifle go him. Or later year on Christmas I would ha e to drag my 14 year old grandson down to a dealer before I give him his first .22 rifle so we can go rabbit hunting.

That's like that idiot I. New York that wants you to be 21 in order to own a rifle. I wonder if he realizes how many soldiers and sailors, that protect his country, are under 21?

[Dd714]

Ironically (and predictably) - the left is now complaining about some of the mental health provisions, and some of the police focus on schools - since it will effect minorities and the poor.

Otherwise, I see nothing drastic here. This is called "the shotgun approach (no pun)" - just try a bunch of useless activities to hope something helps. Most of these can be classified as - enforce the current laws. Since some of them are unenforceable, nothing will improve. The best thing may be this: "Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence." This may seem like a useless committee, but it directs the problem of mass shootings where it belongs - into the medical community as a mental health issue. Actually this has already been done. They just need to enact to change mental health laws (but that will run into political blocks from the left).


So called "assualt Weapons Ban" - will never pass either house of congress. Never. So nothing to worry about there unless Obama want to make it some kind of executive action. Politically unfeasible.