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The ATF don't full around. If he had a gun collection (A modest one it sounds like) he should have known better than to possess an automatic weapon. This weapon was illegal to possess without the proper licenses when he purchased it, and still illegal now. Why the scratched off serial number? Likely it was stolen (not by him, but by the seller), maybe from a military armory, maybe he knew this when he purchased it.
On that note, I have no sympathy. However, the sentence was pretty severe. I wonder why his residence was raided (another article said he was caught with marijuana as well, but that might be due to a medical reason as his wife just died).
In the early 70s a military base near here had 20 M14s stolen. It was Marine sentries that did it.
They told the FBI and ATF that they had buried them in the desert but they were not where they said they were. A year later one of the rifles was recovered...in Canada. 1 of 20. I almost have to wonder if this guys rifle was one of the other 19. It's quite possible.
There is no license required to own a fully automatic weapon. This is a common misconception.
TaxPhd, no disrespect meant, but anybody is stupid enough to listen to what you said, they will and rightly so, up in a federal prison... Period... End of story.
Unless you have the laws covering the NFA and all updates, which shows at following this federal law is only an option or even a minor misconception of said law. Simply ask all the dumb@zzes who are or have been locked up for failing to pay thier federal taxes AFTER some dumb@zz convicted the that it's a misconception about you HAVING to pay your taxes or any other federal law... Again... Period.
Please be a responsible gun owner and discard what Taxphd said!! And no, it's not about being sheep or anything that stupid, it's about enjoying your own freedom and staying out of any court system.
TaxPhd, no disrespect meant, but anybody is stupid enough to listen to what you said, they will and rightly so, up in a federal prison... Period... End of story.
Unless you have the laws covering the NFA and all updates, which shows at following this federal law is only an option or even a minor misconception of said law. Simply ask all the dumb@zzes who are or have been locked up for failing to pay thier federal taxes AFTER some dumb@zz convicted the that it's a misconception about you HAVING to pay your taxes or any other federal law... Again... Period.
Please be a responsible gun owner and discard what Taxphd said!! And no, it's not about being sheep or anything that stupid, it's about enjoying your own freedom and staying out of any court system.
You must have missed my follow up where I addressed this issue. Here it is again:
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What is commonly called a “class 3 license” is actually a type 3 SOT which is an add on to a class 1 dealers license. The type 3 SOT allows a dealer in firearms to deal in NFA items. It is a requirement for a dealer, but not for a non-dealer that wants to own an NFA item. A non-dealer has some minor hoops to jump through to buy an NFA item, but no special license is required.
If you believe that I am incorrect, then by all means, educate us, and explain precisely what “license” one must possess in order to own a full auto weapon.
You must have missed my follow up where I addressed this issue. Here it is again:
If you believe that I am incorrect, then by all means, educate us, and explain precisely what “license” one must possess in order to own a full auto weapon.
I’ll wait while you do your research. . .
Semantics. It requires a TAX STAMP, a $200 fee, and an EXTENSIVE background check much more thorough, and time consuming than most "licenses" including a driver's license, and in my State, an LTCF (License to carry a firearm). In addition due to the 1986 ban on new full auto rifles, their cost is $15K and UP.
Semantics? Hardly. The claim that a special license is required to own an NFA item is simply false. Untrue. Incorrect. There is not even a small part of that claim that is accurate. And the discussion is important when the topic is the legal requirements for firearm ownership, especially when discussing NFA items, as the downside for non-compliance is potentially huge.
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It requires a TAX STAMP, a $200 fee, and an EXTENSIVE background check much more thorough, and time consuming than most "licenses" including a driver's license, and in my State, an LTCF (License to carry a firearm).
Attempting to equate a tax stamp to a license is just silly. The tax stamp isn't a license. It isn't "permission" nor "authorization" to own the NFA item. It is simply evidence that the transfer tax has been paid. That's it. Nothing more.
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In addition due to the 1986 ban on new full auto rifles, their cost is $15K and UP.
The cost of transferable full autos is irrelevant to a discussion about the legal requirements for ownership. And there are plenty available for under $10K.
TaxPhd, no disrespect meant, but anybody is stupid enough to listen to what you said, they will and rightly so, up in a federal prison... Period... End of story.
Unless you have the laws covering the NFA and all updates, which shows at following this federal law is only an option or even a minor misconception of said law. Simply ask all the dumb@zzes who are or have been locked up for failing to pay thier federal taxes AFTER some dumb@zz convicted the that it's a misconception about you HAVING to pay your taxes or any other federal law... Again... Period.
Please be a responsible gun owner and discard what Taxphd said!! And no, it's not about being sheep or anything that stupid, it's about enjoying your own freedom and staying out of any court system.
Still waiting to hear what kind of license is required. . .
Semantics? Hardly. The claim that a special license is required to own an NFA item is simply false. Untrue. Incorrect. There is not even a small part of that claim that is accurate. And the discussion is important when the topic is the legal requirements for firearm ownership, especially when discussing NFA items, as the downside for non-compliance is potentially huge.
Attempting to equate a tax stamp to a license is just silly. The tax stamp isn't a license. It isn't "permission" nor "authorization" to own the NFA item. It is simply evidence that the transfer tax has been paid. That's it. Nothing more.
The cost of transferable full autos is irrelevant to a discussion about the legal requirements for ownership. And there are plenty available for under $10K.
Try to own a full auto weapon without the Tax Stamp which requires a background check, and clean record and see what happens. It may not be called a license, but it certainly requires de facto government permission to own one. Owning any NFA items also opens you up to inspection by the BATFE, any time they want. No due process.
Try to own a full auto weapon without the Tax Stamp which requires a background check, and clean record and see what happens. It may not be called a license, but it certainly requires de facto government permission to own one.
You misunderstand the purpose of the Stamp.
Again, the stamp is ONLY evidence that the transfer tax is paid. It isn't called a license because it ISN'T a license. The Form 4 is the registration and the "permission" to own the item. The Form 4 isn't called a license because it ISN'T a license. NO LICENSE IS REQUIRED TO OWN AN NFA ITEM. Period.
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Owning any NFA items also opens you up to inspection by the BATFE, any time they want. No due process.
And you are completely, 100% incorrect about this. You really ought to study up on the laws before spouting off false information. It makes you look rather silly.
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