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Originally Posted by norcalmom101
Part of the fallacy of your thinking is that a premise against gun control is the deterent effect of armed law abiding citizens. Sure that would seem to make sense, but maybe you should look a bit more closely at the history of gun control in the Soviet Union, Turkey, Germany, China, Guatemala, Uganda, Cambodia, to name a few, before you rely on seeming logic alone to determine what is or isn't likely to transpire, and why.
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Originally Posted by Rick Lee
I have no idea what you're saying in that last post. Gun control in other countries is not comparable to the debate here in the U.S. It's a cultural thing here. It's a non-issue to ban guns in countries where they've never been part of the civilian culture. Not so here.
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So here I go...
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Well I think the problem, Rick is that of course the anti's will have their way
despite logic. That's not their basis for operations! They do love to sidetrack and bait us into arguments about the whys and wherefores of "concealed carry", "home defence" etc., and particularly love it when we start to defend ARs, AKs, my loved Galil, your Dragunov, Mini-14, Glock 40, etc etc.
Years ago I immigrated (legally!) into the US from Kanada, where I also "legally" owned an H&K 91 (20" bbl) which I "legally" used up there for military rifle match shooting. I assume that the FBI and INS background checks of me showed also that I was a Dominion of Canada long range marksman who came in second in all of Canada a few years before that (when my eyes were still good... sigh...). At that time, heck even now, those H&Ks were easily legal to buy here. The importers into the US and Canada back then could still bring them in to both countries. No problem, eh?
To another of your points, in Kanada, England and Australia, there
was a proliferation of wildcatting on the old .303 Enfield cartridge: 6.5 Epps, 7mm/303, .338/303 Imp, plus many 250 Ackleys, .22 HiPower Imps, 30-30 Imkmps, etc, lots of KHornets, etc etc. A very vibrant hunting and target oriented culture, where every farm boy east of the Rockies could pick off a ground squirrel at 300 metres, one shot. Or a 1400 lb bull moose, same single shot, with the trusty .303, at 150 yards... "bang - thud". Hence the reputation the Canuck Army had in both World Wars for marskmanship and woods-lore knowledge. The Aussies and Brits also had their upland game birds, their fox hunting clubs, their camaraderie, all pretty much destroyed now. Yet gang and drug violence increases.
They are just too damned obedient to the whims of vote-trolling politicians and government philosophy. We here may be able to fight it effectively with the Internet (though the government, just as in China, controls that as well...), open forums, and the power of AM radio! (Oopppss, here comes the Good Dr. Schummer with his newly brushed off Fairness Doctrine.
"Conservative Talk Radio is no better than Porn!" Ohh well, there goes THAT idea...)
Riiiggghhht. So back to my H&K story... The BATF ruling following my application in 1981 was:
"Of a type or model not suitable for sporting purposes. Import denied.". If I had the $$$$$$ to take this illogical call to, say, the SCOTUS, and if
they were being kind and logical that day, I would have prevailed on logic, in a country, this one, with an entrenched gun culture. But of course I didn't and the H&K was ground/ sawed / chipped up and turned, no doubt, into about a thousand iPods.
(Which, BTW, are GOOD FOR YOU!").
So, yep, we
will see the good concerned anti-gunners take any number of runs at us, esp. since they
truly believe that they now have some new moral and socially evolved mandate under Mr. Barama. After all, we're wrong, they're right, and they know it! CCW holders can
easily lose their privileges here, in a heartbeat.
The difference, I hope, is that unlike England, Australia or Kanada, we'll all get off our Barca-Loungers, turn off NASCAR or Rosie, and pile into the streets. We need, absolutely, to make positive, non-agressive and polite sounds, personally, down at our local representative's offices. Get an appointment and stop by. Ask your anti-CCW or anti-gun rep down to your local range, pay for it all, and have him or her shoot with you and meet the other folks who frequent such dens of vast bad behavior and thought. Now, long before it comes up innocently in a new or revived House or Senate bill. Those boiler-plate form letters they spew out back at you when you send in a heart-felt letter are pointless, and only count where a mindless staffer counts "pro" versus "con"" opinion polls.
Keep it up, guys... this will be important soon! It is now.
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