08-31-2017, 10:08 PM
Location: Kapaa, HI
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I just finished up jury duty earlier this week, and it still feels like something inside snapped and broke. I saw a side of my island (Kaua'i) that I was not expecting, and it wasn't pretty. I don't know if what I experienced was because of the type of crime it was, or whether it was a Kaua'i thing. Maybe both?
We sat through three days of testimony for nearly 30 counts of sexual assault, and deliberated for seven hours. The defendant was accused of assaulting (raping) his stepdaughter for four years, beginning when she was 14. The testimony we heard from the victim was difficult and disturbing, to put it nicely. We also heard from several other witnesses for the prosecution, and just the defendant and his wife (the victim's mother) for the defense. Although I was looking forward to hearing a strong rebuttal, I found the defense to be underwhelming, and mainly just a lot of smoke and mirrors.
It was when we got into the jury room that things got really bad. I believed the victim was telling the truth, and the guy was completely guilty, and my votes reflected that. The eleven other jurors however wanted to acquit on all charges, in less than an hour of deliberation. Fine, we disagreed. But it was the reasons for acquittal that I found disturbing, although that might just be how sexual assault cases go. One juror said the victim had actually been having an affair with the defendant, she loved him, and when he broke it off she claimed sexual assault (which it would have been anyway, or at least statutory rape, since he was nearly 50 years old when it started and she was 14) - I initially thought this juror was joking, but she wasn't. Another juror said she couldn't convict because she and her family had to live with his family on this island and she wouldn't put them through this (never mind the girl though). They said being in jail would ruin him, but she had the time to rebuild her life. Others said on more than one occasion they thought he probably did it, but still voted to acquit (reasonable doubt?). They said she was a liar and cried on the stand because her lies were coming out. She enjoyed the attention she got as a victim. Others said they wanted more evidence, like someone else would be around during the assaults or the victim would have kept momentos or something (the original assaults had occurred 10 years ago, and she didn't come forward until three years ago). They all also thought that since he was not guilty of one count, he could not be guilty of any of them. There never seemed to be a moment when any of the other jurors stopped and reflected about the victim and her testimony, and about what she claimed had happened to her - if they did they kept it to themselves. The victim had first told what happened to a friend (who testified), two relatives (who got her to go to the police - one testified), a counselor at the YWCA, the police (who testified), the prosecutor's office, and the grand jury - they all believed her and the evidence they were presented with, but somehow to everyone on the jury she was making it up. It was cruel and ugly.
I was told I wasn't following the "Hawaiian way" when I refused to change my vote to not guilty. Another juror said they wished they could get me off and the alternate in so they could acquit. I was told I was "dominating the conversation," but I guess it seemed that way when I was the only one on one side of the debate. One juror asked me if there was anything they could do to "help" me think differently; I told her I didn't need "help," that I believed the victim. One other juror spoke up at that point and reminded everyone else I didn't have to agree with them, I was entitled to what I believed from the testimony. We ended with a hung jury, which we learned later from the judge was fairly common with this kind of case and with this many counts. The judge also told us that there was lots of evidence we didn't get to see because it had been preemptively excluded before the trial began.
I still believe the other jurors were just as entitled to their opinions about the evidence as I was to mine, but the way they tore down the victim was not something I expected to hear, especially with all the talk about caring for the keiki and all we hear all the time. As I said, the ugliness and cruelty I heard broke something inside of me, and tarnished my love for our beautiful island.
08-31-2017, 10:23 PM
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Blaming the victim is horrible. Sounds like some community education is needed on behalf of rape and incest victims. Seems like the prevelant attitude back in the 1950's and before.
09-01-2017, 01:21 AM
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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I haven't a clue how any justice can get done when there's a jury involved. I was on one once where even the guy's attorney said he was guilty of one of the counts against him and yet several jury members tried to acquit him of everything. Idiots.
Actually, though, law isn't about justice, it's about following the laws. Never confuse the two.
09-01-2017, 03:22 PM
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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I haven't a clue how any justice can get done when there's a jury involved. I was on one once where even the guy's attorney said he was guilty of one of the counts against him and yet several jury members tried to acquit him of everything. Idiots.
Actually, though, law isn't about justice, it's about following the laws. Never confuse the two.
Actually, law in Hawaiʻi isn't about following the laws either -- it's about avoiding punishment when laws are broken. Justice is merely incidental.
09-01-2017, 07:49 PM
Location: Middle of the valley
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Actually, though, law isn't about justice, it's about following the laws. Never confuse the two.
This. This. This.
I have had jury duty once, and was Foreperson. It is hard to keep in mind that everything is a question of law, and even harder to keep everyone else on that track.
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09-01-2017, 11:11 PM
Location: Kahala
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I'm kind of surprised Chezaloha- you've been on these forums awhile.
It's all about who you know in Hawaii.
09-02-2017, 12:17 AM
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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As well as who knows you, too.
It's a small enough island that the other jurors may have known some sort of back story to the case, or they knew the guy and had reasons to acquit him. Hard for say, though, especially as we're not familiar with any of them. When it's a small population, it's hard to find a jury that doesn't already have preconceived ideas.
09-02-2017, 03:26 AM
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Thanks for posting the details, it's fascinating to see all the various reasonings, and sad that not many were based on the facts presented in court. But I've never been on a jury, so I have nothing to compare it to.
Two observations: first, as others have noted, it's a small island, everyone knows everyone and people go along to get along. Second, there is a dark undercurrent of child abuse, domestic violence, sexual assault, and violence towards women. We were all for letting our daughter run free (out of sight) at beach parks until my wife heard one horrific story. I suppose it's not more than anywhere else (I remember all the missing kids on milk cartons growing up on the mainland and I was afraid back then), but it is more of a contrast to the "paradise" image. But I think the two go together: the small-town mentality of not turning in your family or your neighbor leads to some enablement. It's certainly way more complicated than that, but again it's just like anywhere else.
09-02-2017, 04:23 AM
Location: Kapaa, HI
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I get the small island stuff, everybody knows everybody, etc. but I am still shaken by how blatant some of the jurors were about blaming the victim. It started immediately when we entered the jury room to deliberate. And, after we turned in our verdict the connections started coming out from those jurors - they had kept quiet during voir dire. I know some thought the defendant was guilty, at least of a few of the counts, but went along to get along. I could not have lived with myself if I had not voted the way I did - I believed the victim's testimony.
BTW, I think the fact that the defense attorney was local (well, from Oahu) and the prosecutor wasn't played a role as well. As I said, the actual defense was weak IMO, but he knew what to say and how to say it to maximum affect.
09-02-2017, 04:34 AM
Location: Kauai, HI
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I'm sorry you had such a trying experience. I have also been privy to similar situations but not to this extent. I feel like being on Kauai is like stepping back in time and that brings good and bad. The bad includes an often antiquated view on social issues. Tying that into the small town lifestyle where everyone knows one another and then also the rampant substance abuse problem, it can really be alarming for someone with a more encompassing worldview. Good on you for sticking up for what is right.
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People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)