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Sebelius will have to be fired, because that's all government knows how to do when such things happen, but the assumption that Sebelius had any role in causing this problem or could have done anything to preclude it from happening is a childish fantasy. This is a reflection of the way our society its, now. .
No I don't agree. I dont see how this is down to society, this is a bad management at its worst. Sebelius is in charge and she should go immediately.
I believe if the contract had been given to Amazon.com this thing would be working perfectly.
No I don't agree. I dont see how this is down to society
Well, I did quite a good job explaining why it is, and you denied it without explaining why your denial is rational, so a reasonable person can only conclude that your comments here are without merit.
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this is a bad management at its worst.
Yes, it is bad management - at CGI and USSI. And even there, it's actually bad-evil management, not bad-incompetent management. The job of the managers in charge of those projects is to make profit for the enterprise. They did that job very well. They're now going to bring in even more money to fix what they did previously. Our nation's longstanding procurement system won't penalize them nor make them "fix" what they did for free, because, like most everything else in our government at this point, the procurement system is ridiculously biased in the favor of big business contractors rather than in the best interest of taxpayers. The push to privatize what government does has led inextricably to a situation where our government, as the consumer, cannot get satisfaction, and basically we're forced to pay these same suppliers more because our penny-wise/pound-foolish approach to funding what our nation needs gives practically all the power to the suppliers.
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Sebelius is in charge and she should go immediately.
Like I said, she's going to go, even though the way our government is forced to do business now, in this new privatized reality, means that she never had a chance to have an impact on making this work out right.
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I believe if the contract had been given to Amazon.com this thing would be working perfectly.
Then you've conveniently proven even more clearly that you don't know what you're talking about. Amazon.com's website is a heck of a lot simpler than the health exchanges (and if you disagree with that, then you really have no idea what you're talking about) and as far as I can tell Amazon.com spends more to maintain that simpler website than was spent on the initial development of the health exchange website.
Amazon.com's website is a heck of a lot simpler than the health exchanges (and if you disagree with that, then you really have no idea what you're talking about)
Yes, I do disagree, with that. I have created an account with healthcare.gov and gotten a quote. You have your view and I have mine.
Yes, it is bad management - at CGI and USSI. And even there, it's actually bad-evil management, not bad-incompetent management. The job of the managers in charge of those projects is to make profit for the enterprise. They did that job very well.
They're now going to bring in even more money to fix what they did previously. Our nation's longstanding procurement system won't penalize them nor make them "fix" what they did for free, because, like most everything else in our government at this point, the procurement system is ridiculously biased in the favor of big business contractors rather than in the best interest of taxpayers.
The push to privatize what government does has led inextricably to a situation where our government, as the consumer, cannot get satisfaction, and basically we're forced to pay these same suppliers more because our penny-wise/pound-foolish approach to funding what our nation needs gives practically all the power to the suppliers.
1000% correct. What concerns me the most - the exchange system will always be buggy and unworkable as it needs to interface with too many other data systems.
Which makes me even angrier than I already am at our own governor who refused, out of political spite, to set up a state exchange.
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Amazon.com's website is a heck of a lot simpler than the health exchanges (and if you disagree with that, then you really have no idea what you're talking about)
Yes, I do disagree, with that. I have created an account with healthcare.gov and gotten a quote. You have your view and I have mine.
My view is based on my professional expertise in the discipline, and first-hand accounts of the system requirements for the exchanges from professional colleagues. Are you basing your view on anything other than a naive user's perspective and your own political bias?
Given your expressed perspectives, I don't see how you could tell: You've generally demonized anything that costs money without any regard whatsoever to the value it provides to others, instead insisting on caring only about how such things benefit you personally.
Given your expressed perspectives, I don't see how you could tell: You've generally demonized anything that costs money without any regard whatsoever to the value it provides to others, instead insisting on caring only about how such things benefit you personally.
That's actually not so...it's just how you interpret things others say when they don't agree with your way of looking at things.
I expect the cost to reflect value.
My problem with the site is no matter what I do, it won't verify my identity. Experian won't talk to me without a reference code. A notice is ready for me, but there's no way to read it. I'm stuck waiting for them to fix the site. The live chat on the site the person I chatted with told me to "keep the faith" that it would work. I find that an unacceptable response.
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