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Just a guess, but would say its more likely an economics thing. Poor people with poor diet and more crowded conditions and using public transportation more apt to get infected. How about comparing rate of covid19 in middle class professional blacks to middle class professional whites or asians?
Or poor blacks to poor whites?
Oh by way saw Amanpour show that showed men are significantly more likely to die of covid19 than women same age. I call discrimination..... for all good it does me, facts is facts.
It may be due to differential genetics vis-Ã -vis the RAAS as I noted earlier, from unknown immune system variances, all complicated by the fact that many of the risk factors for higher severity of CoViD (obesity, HTN, DM, smoking) all occur in higher frequency among blacks.
Just a guess, but would say its more likely an economics thing. Poor people with poor diet and more crowded conditions and using public transportation more apt to get infected. How about comparing rate of covid19 in middle class professional blacks to middle class professional whites or asians?
Or poor blacks to poor whites?
Education and/or intelligence may also be a factor. I happened to see a news report in an urban area where 'social distancing' was not being observed. A woman was asked about why she was not observing precautions, and her response was that she didn't "believe in" the disease.
I was incredulous. How could somebody think that it's something that you have to 'believe in'? Is she [expletive] stupid?
It may be due to differential genetics vis-Ã -vis the RAAS as I noted earlier, from unknown immune system variances, all complicated by the fact that many of the risk factors for higher severity of CoViD (obesity, HTN, DM, smoking) all occur in higher frequency among blacks.
???? If it's genetics, then how did all of the Italians, Chinese, and whites/Hispanics/Asians in this country and across the world catch coronavirus and die?
Minorities are more likely to live in densely populated areas, more likely to rely on public transportation, and more likely to have jobs that don't allow them to work from home. All of that means more exposure. Add the fact that minorities are less likely to have health insurance. So they are more likely to have underlying untreated health issues and more likely to wait until they are really sick before seeing a doctor. So when they do get it, they are more likely to not recover.
Education and/or intelligence may also be a factor. I happened to see a news report in an urban area where 'social distancing' was not being observed. A woman was asked about why she was not observing precautions, and her response was that she didn't "believe in" the disease.
I was incredulous. How could somebody think that it's something that you have to 'believe in'? Is she [expletive] stupid?
Although that may very well be true, that is not indicative of race at all. Lots of white, educated governors who are already calling for the end to social distancing.
They tend to live in highly populated areas and often, more than one family lives in a single family home. Thus, more chances to spread/contract the virus.
???? If it's genetics, then how did all of the Italians, Chinese, and whites/Hispanics/Asians in this country and across the world catch coronavirus and die? /
All individuals in the human species share in a common gene pool---What allows us to recognize different "races," for lack of a better word, is the differences in gene frequencies in the different populations.
More individual blacks have the set of genes that allows a worse response to CoVid than the number of those with that set of genes among the white population.
As I stated earlier, there are other factors (soc/econ/psych) that no doubt play a part. I'm suggesting that the social factors may lead to higher infection rates, but the severity of the infection may be more related to genetic factors.
Even within each race, we see severity correlating well with genetically determined things like ACE levels and CRP levels.
Being of Mediterranean background and dark complected, I was once described by a friend as not being "white," but "off-white." "Races" are not clearly delineated.
All individuals in the human species share in a common gene pool---What allows us to recognize different "races," for lack of a better word, is the differences in gene frequencies in the different populations.
More individual blacks have the set of genes that allows a worse response to CoVid than the number of those with that set of genes among the white population.
As I stated earlier, there are other factors (soc/econ/psych) that no doubt play a part. I'm suggesting that the social factors may lead to higher infection rates, but the severity of the infection may be more related to genetic factors.
Even within each race, we see severity correlating well with genetically determined things like ACE levels and CRP levels.
Being of Mediterranean background and dark complected, I was once described by a friend as not being "white," but "off-white." "Races" are not clearly delineated.
No, No, No.......we have no evidence of this. Blacks have NOT shown any worse response to covid19 than anyone else. Hundreds of thousands of Italians, Chinese, and everyone around the world have gotten covid19 and died; so they must have had genes that allow a worse response to covid19 too.
Again, the worldwide global numbers show that anyone of any race, any ethnicity, any age can get this and die. The global impact shows that there are no magic genes putting any race at more risk than the other. The hundreds of thousands of Italians and Chinese that died must have had those set of genes that put them at more risk, which is why they are leading the world in cases and deaths.
Genes always play a role, although, with viruses (especially this one), the global spread shows you that genes are not the major driver.
I am a healthy white (Polish-decent) American. Overall health seems to be a better indicator of impact. No matter what race you are. Which is why Chinese, Italians, and Spaniards are leading the world in cases and deaths. Given that diversity, it shows that blacks are not at more risk for bad covid outcomes than whites or any other races.
If it is based on genetics and you are Mediterranean, given the number of cases and deaths out of Italy/Spain, unfortunately YOU are at greatest risk for getting COVD19 and having a worse response.
Although, I don't think catching covid and its outcomes are majorly influenced by racial genetics . To some extent yes (which is always the case), but definitely not the major factor.
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No, No, No.......we have no evidence of this. Blacks have NOT shown any worse response to covid19 than anyone else. .
I cited data above that blacks do in fact have higher rates of CoV infection and more deaths by percentage than others, so forget your incorrect fantasies.
I also cited two examples of genetically controlled situations that are correlated with worse outcomes that may help explain those differences. You're right-- it's not proof, but it's highly suggestive and deserves more study.
You don't seem to understand the concept of allelic frequencies in different populations. For example, they found over 30 different alleles for the gene AcCoA carboxylase in the pea plant. If allele 1, say, occurs more frequently in variety 1 of the pea, that doesn't mean it can't also occur in variety 2-- just at a lower frequency in the group as a whole https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/20/7/1773/htm ....
….Same with genes that help or hurt with CoViD. Just because an allele that hurts is more frequent in blacks, it doesn't mean it's exclusive to blacks, or that all blacks have it.
Another example: as a group, blacks are less likely to respond with lower BP to ACE inhibitors, even tho, paradoxically, they have higher ACE levels (ie- theoretically should respond more strongly), on average, than whites.... Explain that one on the basis of socio/economic factors.
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"Races" are not clearly delineated.
