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If anyone believes that people do not die from medical errors/physician intervention/treatment they are being dishonest.
It happens more than people care to think about.
And it happens with more frequency in the US because Americans use an extraordinary amount of medical care.
I don't know of anyone who says that people have not died as a result of medical errors so by definition then everybody I know is totally honest. That's using your standard of what constitutes honesty.
As far as it happens more than people care to think, I don't know whether medical professionals or the general public have any real idea about the numbers for one good reason and that is our system is not set up for obtaining ie mining data. There's nowhere where I can find such data. To classify what constitutes a medical error causing death isn't always so clear-cut. There was some dispute as to what constitutes such deaths and if you want one large national number then you need one large national definition and there isn't any. That's the problem the original research stated. The original estimate was by definition an estimation and not an actual count. They estimated it based on a few locations and then extrapolated it into a national number. It wasn't an actual headcount.
Until that issue is resolved then anything having to do with numbers will be in dispute.
I don't know of anyone who says that people have not died as a result of medical errors so by definition then everybody I know is totally honest. That's using your standard of what constitutes honesty.
As far as it happens more than people care to think, I don't know whether medical professionals or the general public have any real idea about the numbers for one good reason and that is our system is not set up for obtaining ie mining data. There's nowhere where I can find such data. To classify what constitutes a medical error causing death isn't always so clear-cut. There was some dispute as to what constitutes such deaths and if you want one large national number then you need one large national definition and there isn't any. That's the problem the original research stated. The original estimate was by definition an estimation and not an actual count. They estimated it based on a few locations and then extrapolated it into a national number. It wasn't an actual headcount.
Until that issue is resolved then anything having to do with numbers will be in dispute.
It is clear cut.
It only appears to be muddled so data cannot be collected.
Yes it is. It's an older study. Absolutely. Completely agree with you. No doubts about that.
What's stunning is that it was wholeheartedly ignored when it was published. No interventions, no new policies, nothing.
And there was no follow-up study. Why is that?
You'd think healthcare professionals would be appalled at the deaths and demand improved care for patients.
No, it was not ignored, and here is the 20-year report. Healthcare is government regulated and the hearing that brought to attention medical errors also had government agencies implement policies and a reporting system involving "medical errors", especially death.
There are posters on this board who will fight you to the death regarding your statement. They do not believe that drugs cause anyone any harm ever.
Now you changed the context. You went from medical errors causing death to drugs causing deaths. I mentioned earlier that the definition of what constitutes a medical error is important. Just because somebody dies in a hospital does not constitute a medical error. You have to also understand the difference between iatrogenic vs error.
Iatrogenic definition is
"relating to illness caused by medical examination or treatment."
If a person is given an antibiotic and there was no known history of previous allergy to that drug and the drug was appropriately prescribed and then the person dies of an allergic reaction it is considered an iatrogenic death but it wasn't a medical error. There was no error. If there was a previous history on the chart that they were allergic to the drug and it was given then that would be a medical error.
Strong drugs are given to very sick people and very sick people often die but that doesn't constitute medical error.
Now you changed the context. You went from medical errors causing death to drugs causing deaths. I mentioned earlier that the definition of what constitutes a medical error is important. Just because somebody dies in a hospital does not constitute a medical error. You have to also understand the difference between iatrogenic vs error.
Iatrogenic definition is
"relating to illness caused by medical examination or treatment."
If a person is given an antibiotic and there was no known history of previous allergy to that drug and the drug was appropriately prescribed and then the person dies of an allergic reaction it is considered an iatrogenic death but it wasn't a medical error. There was no error. If there was a previous history on the chart that they were allergic to the drug and it was given then that would be a medical error.
Strong drugs are given to very sick people and very sick people often die but that doesn't constitute medical error.
No, it was not ignored, and here is the 20-year report. Healthcare is government regulated and the hearing that brought to attention medical errors also had government agencies implement policies and a reporting system involving "medical errors", especially death.
If you check the reference lists you'll see that the JAMA article was not included.
so?
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