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Can you give us an example of an historical topic about which no conspiracy theory would ever arise to challenge the conventional wisdom or the official version of the historical event? I'm sure the idiot moderator will happily take pains to limit discussion here to your list of historical events that are immune to controversy or alternative explanations.
Well the idiot moderators usually leave the conspiracy debates in the political forum along with the idiot politics posters. But, I do agree we see the Kennedy conspiracy theory posts here from time to time. But this one usually brings out a special brand of kooks.
Off topic : We used to have a great moderator here, a true lady, and to her I withold any "idiot" label...but the rest.... What was her name and what happened to her?
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Originally Posted by JohnHAdams
You went out of your way to change the spelling of the original post (studying). Automatic loss of all credibility.
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Ohhhhkayyy James Bond Black Ops Ninja Master, settle down. If it helps any, the misspelling was unintentional.
No it is not true. Consiracy theorists typically retype the same incorrect information from website to website. A tiny fragment was found only, not an entire wing. Some light debris such as nylon was found 8 miles away. This is consistent with a nose dive of a large jet and the subsequent explosion. It left a crater 8 feet deep and some 50 feet wide, and witnesses decribed a massive mushroom cloud when it hit. Most of the large debris was within the immediate crash perimiter and was considerably fragmented (due to the violence of the impact).
When a poster comes in here and states "I spent 5 years studing black ops" I would suggest dismissing anything he has to say after that point.
Somewhere (I don't remember exactly where but it was in answer to the CTs) this "eight-mile" thing was explained regarding the distance over which debris was spread. Debris was actually spread over two miles or less; however, something was printed at one point about driving eight miles to pick up the debris, because by road one had to travel eight miles to get to the points where the debris was found. The truther set picked that up and regurgitated it into a "debris was spread over eight miles" story to bolster their argument.
Well the idiot moderators usually leave the conspiracy debates in the political forum along with the idiot politics posters. But, I do agree we see the Kennedy conspiracy theory posts here from time to time. But this one usually brings out a special brand of kooks.
Off topic : We used to have a great moderator here, a true lady, and to her I withold any "idiot" label...but the rest.... What was her name and what happened to her?
Ohhhhkayyy James Bond Black Ops Ninja Master, settle down. If it helps any, the misspelling was unintentional.
Traditionally, the History Forum pretty well moderates itself. Trolls and idiots are just ignored, but there is a tolerance for an occasional "recent history" discussion if people stick conscientiously to the facts as they understand them and can offer citations to support the representations. There is a low tolerance for ad hominems. I don't think many of the History Forum regulars have been posting to this thread.
Moderators do not move threads into their forums, they move them out. They don't troll other forums looking for threads to hihack. Somebody in another forum might have thrown this one away, and thought history would be a good place to dump it. Did this thread originate outside the History Forum?
Here we go again with the consipiracy theories. What idiot moderator transferred this to the history forum?
Conspiracy on this flight being shot down dismisses all the evidence on hand, more than any other of the wacky 911 consipiracy theories, for several reasons:
- Flight recorder data captured the attempted re-seizing of the cockpit by the passengers and the hijackers instructions to crash the plane.
- Various phone calles to passengers family (not one, but 3 that I know of) told them they were going to try to subdue the hijackers.
- The crash debris suggests only one scenario - a vertical dive (inverted actually) into the ground intact. THat is - a cratered sight with debris spread over a perimiter. A missle hit would leave physical evidence of course, and the crash could have been controlled, more spread out, not cratered.
- Finally, you leave out any motive for the government not admitting that they shot down the plane. The president and every military anaylst at the time already admitted that they would have freely given the command to shoot down a plane, passengers or not.
And, as with all the 911 consipiracy theories, the one fatal flaw that always gets ignored - to have a conspiracy of this magnitude would involve tens of thousands to be involved - thousands of first responders, hundreds of passenger families, survivors (to the WTC), various politicians, thousand of military military, hundreds of expert analysts that were at the scenes after the face, even Al Queda would have to cooperate. It would be mind-boogling. The government, any government, just ain't that efficient.
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
That's a nice little quote, but what has it got to do with the post you quoted? Is it supposed to prove that there was a government coverup? Just because there may have been a coverup for something else it does not mean there is a coverup in this case.
You write this as if the truth about the Kennedy assassination has been told, as if it has been revealed, as if it has been accepted, as if there is a consensus.
There is a consensus. He was assassinated by a chap called Lee Harvey Oswald. I thought that was pretty well known history.
Yes, I expect you are correct. I mean rather, that the serious debate is over, and we are left only with ostriches with their heads buried in the sand. By which I mean, something which is clearly rubbish (why would they hide their heads in the sand? It makes no sense) and get commonly believed.
Yes, I expect you are correct. I mean rather, that the serious debate is over, and we are left only with ostriches with their heads buried in the sand. By which I mean, something which is clearly rubbish (why would they hide their heads in the sand? It makes no sense) and get commonly believed.
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