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Old 07-25-2016, 02:43 AM
 
Location: Nebraska
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Only if they would have had a few thousand Hawaiians, loyal to Japan, saboteurs in place ( thank God they did not).. I do know one of the Japanese strategic planners had advised against an invasion of the mainland because "there would be a citizen behind every blade of grass armed with a rifle". That might not have been the case in Hawaii because they have very strict gun control today. Maybe they didn't in 1941.
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Old 07-25-2016, 05:26 AM
 
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The old battleships (OBBs) were designed for 20 knot. Most of them could no longer attain that heady speed. When we moved on Guadalcanal the OBBs were sent to Espirtu Santo and spent their time there acting as auxiliary fuel storage units. They were kept on hand "just in case" the faster units were severely reduced. After that many acted at mobile artillery batteries, AAA platforms for the amphibs, convoy escorts, or training ships. The damage done during the raid didn't materially affect the US war effort.
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Old 07-25-2016, 07:18 AM
 
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Yes but the OP addressed the possibility of a land occupation, NOT the bombing of Pearl Harbor. That's not the topic. Addressing his post only, your post is not really relevant although it is correct.

Yamamoto proposed the destruction of the Pacific fleet as I addressed in my second post, that was achievable if ultimately disastourous. Yamamoto would never have agreed to a land invasion because it would have been impossible and counter-strategic.
Yeah, well. I was responding to a post that said the air attack on Pearl Harbor was a mistake. There was no need for you to go into a purple snit about a rebuttal to that in a Pearl Harbor thread. Chill, dude.
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Old 07-25-2016, 08:06 AM
 
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One of the best books I've read recently is "Shattered Sword." It's a look at the Battle of Midway from the Japanese point of view. It also discusses Japanese strategy and mindset.

But if you don't want to read it, my short answer is that the raid on Pearl Harbor was just that. A raid. With the goal of forcing the U.S. into a negotiated settlement. It also had the result of ending any chance that the U.S. battle fleet would sail out to rescue the Philippines or attack Japanese advances southward.

There are several alt-history novels about Japan invading Hawaii, one co-authored by Newt Gingrich (or so the book says).
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Old 07-25-2016, 08:28 AM
 
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Shattered Sword is excellent!

The Attack on Pearl Harbor: Strategy, Combat, Myths, Deceptions by Alan D. Zimm is a concise analysis of the attack and an important addition to the knowledge base for this event.
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Old 07-25-2016, 12:31 PM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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Shattered Sword is excellent!

The Attack on Pearl Harbor: Strategy, Combat, Myths, Deceptions by Alan D. Zimm is a concise analysis of the attack and an important addition to the knowledge base for this event.
Added to the reading list.
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Old 07-25-2016, 12:33 PM
 
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Fans of Shattered Sword may already know that the authors have a forum, Tullys Port at CombinedFleet.com - Index page.
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Old 07-25-2016, 01:11 PM
 
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Yeah, well. I was responding to a post that said the air attack on Pearl Harbor was a mistake. There was no need for you to go into a purple snit about a rebuttal to that in a Pearl Harbor thread. Chill, dude.
What the heck is a purple snot? Hey I took the step of acknowledging I agreed with your thread. The proper response from you should be - "OK cool" and then move on to a proper thread.
Who needs to chill here exactly?
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Old 07-25-2016, 02:33 PM
 
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I'm no expert. But I think had Japan landed troops, probably ten thousand could have taken Oahu. But there is really only a couple of beaches and it's usually too rough for landing craft. Also no way to drop airborne troops.

Had they taken the islands and the equipment I don't think the Pacific war would have happened and today the Japaneese would own all the hotels on Waikiki.

Oh wait...
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Old 07-25-2016, 02:35 PM
 
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I'm no expert. But I think had Japan landed troops, probably ten thousand could have taken Oahu. But there is really only a couple of beaches and it's usually too rough for landing craft. Also no way to drop airborne troops.

Had they taken the islands and the equipment I don't think the Pacific war would have happened and today the Japaneese would own all the hotels on Waikiki.

Oh wait...
We had two reinforced infantry divisions on Oahu. What would they be doing during this invasion?
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