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Old 01-01-2019, 06:36 PM
 
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These stories constantly amaze me.


The Nazi Downstairs: A search for a lost masterpiece uncovered a woman’s harrowing account of escaping deportation, and possibly death, while spying on a Nazi at close range
By Colin Moynihan

“Who would think I would find myself sharing a roof with an SS officer?” she wrote later in a letter...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/05/a...-her-home.html
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Old 01-01-2019, 06:42 PM
 
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they amaze me, too.
and we will continue to be amazed for some time.
who know how long some of the South American Socialists will survive?
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Old 01-04-2019, 09:49 AM
 
Location: North Carolina/Maine
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I wish there were a similar outrage concerning the wrongs visited upon Natve Americans.
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Old Yesterday, 08:50 PM
 
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I wish there were a similar outrage concerning the wrongs visited upon Natve Americans.
Ah, but then Americans would have to admit guilt. It's much easier pointing fingers at others, isn't it?
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Old Yesterday, 09:26 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I wish there were a similar outrage concerning the wrongs visited upon Natve Americans.
Too much of the history is still hidden. California history courses rarely touch upon the many atrocities carried out by groups of ordinary citizens during the gold rush and afterwards, during settlement of the state. Not to mention the final phase of Indian Wars, ending in 1924.
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Old Yesterday, 11:54 PM
 
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My God people, can we give the "American/White Guilt" thing a break for once? This is a about Nazi Stolen Art, not American Indians. Stay on topic because it is an interesting topic.

Now I can't see the link from you OP (the country I am a guest in currently, China Peoples Republic of, doesn't seem to like the New York Times) so I can't address the personal spy story aspect, but there are billions, tens of billions, of dollars of stolen art still floating around Europe. Specifically between Germany and Switzerland and Liechtenstein, traded to private dealers on occasion and kept in cellars in Munich and elsewhere in Germany, handed down from descendants of nazi officers.

This is mostly modern (of that day) art, which both was vilified and fascinated nazis of that day as "degenerative" art. Much of it was stolen/plundered from well to do jewish art collectors who later ended up in the gas chambers. This was not the focus of the allied "monument men" (did anyone see that extremely bad movie?) who focused on the old classics. But they are still extremely valuable. Many Nazi's captured after the war ended said they were destroyed by allied bombing - B.S. Nazi party members knew very well where to put these in secure places, this was their retirement funds. Anyways this was noted as false when in 2012 they found a huge stockpile of over 1,000 pieces of artwork in some German's apartment, son of an SS officer.

It's still out there, all this artwork, sitting in various cellars by otherwise outstanding German citizens that have long dissociated themselves from their nazi past (and of course, they all claim there families were anti-Nazi all along during that period). Some of these, these people have no idea of the value. Others - they know very well what they are and where it came from.

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Old Today, 05:32 AM
 
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Most of the art has been ransacked many times American museums are made of spoils, mostly fakes,
Most masterpieces are fakes by theArt if but a fraud during the last 2500 years
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Old Today, 06:11 AM
 
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My God people, can we give the "American/White Guilt" thing a break for once? This is a about Nazi Stolen Art, not American Indians. Stay on topic because it is an interesting topic.
Alternately, you could refrain trying to portray the concern for lack of historical awareness of a certain area as people feeling guilty for being white. Maybe you need a safe space from such topics?
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Old Today, 09:14 AM
 
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Alternately, you could refrain trying to portray the concern for lack of historical awareness of a certain area as people feeling guilty for being white. Maybe you need a safe space from such topics?
Or, alternately, we can stay on topic.

I'm very concerned for lack of historical awareness, which is why I am trying to bring the topic back to the historical misgivings covered in the thread title regarding an area that is not often discussed. Staying on topic is a TOS area, so the forum indeed does award those with a "safe space" for those that blatantly violate TOS - I think you know what that is. Sadly, counting myself now (by answering instead of reporting your thread for deletion) and you, we have about 5 posters that quality for this "safe space".

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Old Today, 10:20 AM
 
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These stories constantly amaze me.


The Nazi Downstairs: A search for a lost masterpiece uncovered a woman’s harrowing account of escaping deportation, and possibly death, while spying on a Nazi at close range
By Colin Moynihan

“Who would think I would find myself sharing a roof with an SS officer?” she wrote later in a letter...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/05/a...-her-home.html

Thank you for this...fascinating, and what a strong and admirable woman. Good to hear of the family to get some of the money for the painting when sold...
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