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A proper response but doesn't really fly anymore is we just use special forces to track down and kill all his family and those involved. Would've been far more cost effective and made a better point.
That's what Israel typically does, to great effect. They invaded no one after the Olympic massacre outrage, but eventually tracked down and killed all of the "Black September" attackers.
Then why did Hitler need so badly to eliminate Jewry that it took recourse to "a last resort for the Nazies of eliminating the Jews from Europe." Why did he need Europe to be Judenrein?
Germany had lost the first world war, and a political leader wanting to expand Germany through another war would have had opponents. So he needed a common enemy, and the Jews were the unfortunate scapegoats.
And what, you think 9/11 is where I draw the line when it comes to discussing nuance? I think it’s well known that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. (I personally don’t view Al-Qaeda as freedom fighters)
That being said Al-Qaeda’s goal with the 9-11 attack was to provoke the US and it’s western allies to invade a Muslim country, fight a war of attrition until the US has to back out due to it’s collapsing economy, and in the process unite the Muslim world and evict western influences from the Middle East and open the flood gates for Muslim refugees to out populate the westerners in their own countries, so far it seems like everything is playing out as planned, except for maybe the monkey wrench that Russia through in Syria, preventing the secular government from collapsing and preventing an Islamic state from setting up shop there.
Nevertheless, this thread is about "massacres", and nothing came anywhere near a massacre proportions until it got Donald Rumsfeld's attention. Al-Qaeda-s actio was a simple skyjacking, until building code violations brought down a building where employees had been told to ignore alarms and go back their desks.
Nevertheless, this thread is about "massacres", and nothing came anywhere near a massacre proportions until it got Donald Rumsfeld's attention. Al-Qaeda-s actio was a simple skyjacking, until building code violations brought down a building where employees had been told to ignore alarms and go back their desks.
That’s the first time I heard that so I can’t deny or affirm your claim, but not sure what any of that has to do with Trump? Last I remember it was Bush that got us in the war, not Trump, and Obama continued the war as well.
Now when it comes to the definition of massacre, it was always thought it had the connotation that it was not just a large group of people dying, but that they were slaughtered at the hands of other people in a short amount of time. So I think the best example would be when the Mongols sieged Baghdad in 1258 and slaughtered anywhere from 200,000 to 2,000,0000 civilians depending on which sources. Bombings on the other hand I’m not constitute as “slaughter” at least I never heard of butchers using bombs to kill cows?
I think you misread Trump for Rumsfeld, the butcher of Baghdad.
Re: the definition of massacre. I think of it as a quick massive, orchestrated attack on particular individuals, each killed by trauma at close quarters. Like Rwanda and Burundi, with over 100,000 hacked to death by machetes, in a few days. Try to visualize that.
Re: the definition of massacre. I think of it as a quick massive, orchestrated attack on particular individuals, each killed by trauma at close quarters. Like Rwanda and Burundi, with over 100,000 hacked to death by machetes, in a few days. Try to visualize that.
The events of St. Bartholomew's Night immediately come to mind.
I think you misread Trump for Rumsfeld, the butcher of Baghdad.
Re: the definition of massacre. I think of it as a quick massive, orchestrated attack on particular individuals, each killed by trauma at close quarters. Like Rwanda and Burundi, with over 100,000 hacked to death by machetes, in a few days. Try to visualize that.
Yes you are correct, I feel like an idiot now, the 24/7 media obsession with Trump has forever made me associate the name Donald with Trump, sorry about that. And yes I agree with your definition. As horrible as bombings, starvation, gassing etc. it’s not on the same level of brutality as the examples you stated.
There was another huge massacre that we rarely discuss, although it's probably not the kind that the OP had in mind, namely "The Great Dying." This refers to the killing of 90+% of the native American population by the diseases that the early European explorers brought to the Americas...smallpox, measles, influenza, and bubonic plague. Having never been in contact with those pathogens before, the native Americans had no immunity. A recent study looked at population figures using several different methodologies, as opposed to using anecdotal estimates by the Spanish, and concluded that ~55M people died. The subsequent reforestation of farmland due to the depletion of farmers produced a drop in CO2 sufficient to cause a global cooling period (all documented in the carbon record, which is a bit outside the scope of this thread).
It seems to me that this thread has degenerated into an apologia for the September 11 attackers. In my view there is no question that was a massacre. The biggest in history? I doubt it.
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