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Old 03-06-2009, 10:59 PM
 
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Bill Clinton. Do your homework and you'll see this great man added thousands of police officers to the streets in the 90s. Crime plummeted. It declined and went sharply down. Local and state police departments enjoyed Clinton's policies and respect to them. The DARE program also became commonplace in schools. It's success continues today, despite recent opposition by some schools.
Clinton cared for everyone and had great health and medicare programs. Seniors were in great shape under Clinton. Thanks to Hillary, education programs and laws were created. Existing ones were enriched. The Clintons went to foreign lands like Guam and talked about peace treaties, economic stimulus, and other programs.
I ignore all this talk about terrorism and the whole Monica Lewinsky thing. Those are false accusations. Nothing is worse than lying. Nothing is worse than falsely accusing someone without authorization. Clinton was honest, caring, and truly an American.

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Old 03-06-2009, 11:15 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Thomas Jefferson. Because I think he could beat Reagan up. Oh, and the whole Lewis and Clark thing, and the Louisiana purchase.
Oh yeah? Jefferson was only trying to buy a stretch of the Gulf coast, it was the French who offered the larger deal. All Jefferson had to do was to agree to buy.

Now Polk, he added as much new territory to the nation as did Jefferson, but it wasn't just handed over in a sale. Polk not only had to fight a war to get his new land, he had to pick the fight and convince the nation that Mexico started it. Polk could beat up Jefferson.
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Old 03-06-2009, 11:15 PM
 
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Ronald Reagan.

No doubt about it.
I don't think so. Probably the most overrated though.
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Old 03-07-2009, 01:57 AM
 
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Ronald Reagan.

No doubt about it.
You mean the same Ronald Reagan whose deregulation policies led to the S&L crisis, which cost taxpayers around $1 trillion, and set the stage for our current economic crisis? The one whose "trickle-down" economic plan coupled with massive spending budgets gutted the middle class and led to a huge deficit and a recession that Bush 41 inherited?

The one who presided over one of the most corrupt administrations in recent history?

In case you doubt, or are disinclined to look up actual history, here's a partial list of people who were actually employed by the administration, and who were convicted of crimes that were actually related to the office they served. It's a long list, so better settle in with a cup of coffee and a donut.

1. Lyn Nofziger-- White House Press Secretary - Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House in Wedtech scandal. The lobbying would not have been illegal had he not been White House Press Secretary.

2. Michael Deaver, Reagan's Chief of Staff, received three years' probation and was fined one hundred thousand dollars after being convicted for lying to a congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury about his lobbying activities after leaving the White House. Same as with Lyn Nofziger.

3. James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior was indicted on 41 felony counts for using connections at the Department of Housing and Urban Development to help his private clients seek federal funds for housing projects in Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Watt conceded that he had received $500,000 from clients who were granted very favorable housing contracts after he had intervened on their behalf. Watt was eventually sentenced to five years in prison and 500 hours of community service.

4. John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, guilty of five criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing...

5. Richard Secord pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress over Iran-Contra. Appointed by William Casey to assist Oliver North.

6. Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau. He was closely linked with ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the Contras. Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers as well as domestic contributors. Abrams agreed to cooperate with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush...

7. Robert C. McFarlane, Reagan's National Security Advisor, pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service. He was also fined $20,000. He received a blanket pardon from President George Bush...

8. Alan D. Fiers was the Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's Central American Task Force. Fiers pled guilty in 1991 to two counts of withholding information from congress about Oliver North's activities and the diversion of Iran arms sale money to aid the Contras. He was sentenced to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service. Alan Fiers received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President Bush...

9. Thomas G. Clines: convicted of four counts of tax-related offenses for failing to report income from the operations;

10. Carl R. Channel - Office of Public Diplomacy , partner in International Business- first person convicted in the Iran/Contra scandal, pleaded guilty of one count of defrauding the United States

11. Richard R. Miller - Partner with Oliver North in IBC, a Office of Public Diplomacy front group, convicted of conspiracy to defraud the United States.

12. Frank Gomez

13. Donald Fortier

14. Clair George was Chief of the CIA's Division of Covert Operations under President Reagan. George was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in 1986. George faced a maximum five year federal prison sentence and a $20,000 fine for each of the two convictions. Jurors cleared George of five other charges including two counts of lying to a federal grand jury. Clair George received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President George Bush...

15. Rita Lavelle was indicted, tried and convicted of lying to Congress and served three months of a six-month prison sentence.

16. Philip Winn - Assistant HUD Secretary. Pleaded guilty to one count of scheming to give illegal gratuities.

17. Thomas Demery - Assistand HUD Secretary - pleaded guilty to steering HUD subsidies to politically connected donors.

18. Deborah Gore Dean - executive assistant to Samuel Pierce - indicted on thirteen counts, three counts of conspiracy, one count of accepting an illegal gratuity, four counts of perjury, and five counts of concealing articles. She was convicted on twelve accounts. She appealed and prevailed on several accounts but the convictions for conspiracy remained.

19. Catalina Villaponda - Former US Treasurer

20. Joseph A. Strauss - Accepting kickbacks from developers

21. Oliver North - He was indicted on sixteen felony counts and on May 4, 1989, he was convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents (by his secretary, Fawn Hall, on his instructions). He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours community service. His conviction was later overturned on a technicality.
Don't forget that Bush 41, when President, pardoned Reagan's Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger, who was indicted on 5 felony charges and was only days away from standing trial when the pardon was granted.

Moreover, the record of actual convictions doesn't tell the whole story. Over 30 additional Reagan appointees resigned or were fired following charges of legal or ethical misconduct, including Secretary of Interior Raymond Donovan, CIA Director William Casey and EPA Administrator Anne Burford. Many dozens more were investigated.

That Ronald Reagan?
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Old 03-07-2009, 08:21 AM
 
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That Ronald Reagan?
Yeah, but those were all in furtherance of the Republican political cause. As such, they were much less serious than, say, getting blown by your intern. Or having an assertive wife with a role in your administration. Or failing to wear a US flag pin during a campaign. Please get your crimes in perspective.
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Old 03-07-2009, 08:48 AM
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Default I Like Reagan, Too

Easy answer. Millard Fillmore.

Less time, less mistakes.
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Old 03-07-2009, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Easy answer. Millard Fillmore.

Less time, less mistakes.
No, you can't even put him on the list. He signed the Fugitive Slave Bill (protesting the whole time about how much he hated slavery, but he signed it all the same. And when he signed it, he also put the last nail in the coffin of the Whig Party).
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Old 03-07-2009, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Now Polk, he added as much new territory to the nation as did Jefferson, but it wasn't just handed over in a sale. Polk not only had to fight a war to get his new land, he had to pick the fight and convince the nation that Mexico started it. Polk could beat up Jefferson.
Which makes him one of the ten most evil presidents, certainly.
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Old 03-07-2009, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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The only president who consistently demonstrated all the qualities I consider important: honesty, lack of power-lust, respect for the law and the constitution, and opposition to imperialism and foreign entanglements, would be Grover Cleveland. Every other president had at least one fatal flaw, and most had more than one.
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Old 03-07-2009, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Which makes him one of the ten most evil presidents, certainly.
Well, Mexico got the territorial claims from Spain, which had wrested them from the tribal inhabitants who had won them by overwhelming earlier tribal inhabitants. Historically, property belongs to the one left standing after the fight for it. Mexico failed to develop, populate, or politically dominate, New Mexico and California. I would suggest that the dramatic difference in US and Mexican prosperity, indicates that the SW is much the more fortunate for having been taken away. As the old Mexican complaint goes..."You not only stole half our country, you stole the half with all the good roads and wealthy cities."

Besides, until the 1880's, all of our US presidents were involved one way or another in asserting US dominion over native American lands. Why single out Polk? He was just the most successful.
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