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Ok with all of that being pointed out why were Jim Crow laws directed specifically towards blacks if the whole slavery thing was not about color? Whites were indentured servants first and after their time was up they were ALLOWED to blend in with the rest of society. Blacks after slavery tried to blend in but it was not until after legal action was taken and even then there were many that fought it.
Ok with all of that being pointed out why were Jim Crow laws directed specifically towards blacks if the whole slavery thing was not about color? Whites were indentured servants first and after their time was up they were ALLOWED to blend in with the rest of society. Blacks after slavery tried to blend in but it was not until after legal action was taken and even then there were many that fought it.
Jim Crow and slavery are 2 completely different things and time periods. If you scroll up to previous posts I explicitly state that Jim Crows intent and implementation was explicitly racist and out to target and terrorize, vilify, and victimize blacks. In addition what made it even worse was segregationist one droppism that was imposed between 1931 and 1967.
Ok with all of that being pointed out why were Jim Crow laws directed specifically towards blacks if the whole slavery thing was not about color? Whites were indentured servants first and after their time was up they were ALLOWED to blend in with the rest of society. Blacks after slavery tried to blend in but it was not until after legal action was taken and even then there were many that fought it.
Jim Crow would have been out to target blacks because the powers that be and elite wouldn't want poor whites and poor blacks uniting together to fight class inequality, so what better way to quell and put a stop in poor and disenfranchised peoples tracks by finding another way to sepetate them by imposing race?
Many slaveowners were mixed race or of color and sought to maintain slavery as a means to have control of a source of labor and economic capital and also presuming that it would help ppl of all races further mix to blur any racial distinctions. Lots of all of this was based in class.
Ok with all of that being pointed out why were Jim Crow laws directed specifically towards blacks if the whole slavery thing was not about color? Whites were indentured servants first and after their time was up they were ALLOWED to blend in with the rest of society. Blacks after slavery tried to blend in but it was not until after legal action was taken and even then there were many that fought it.
Actually the first Africans brought into British colonial North America had been indentured servants. It wasn't until a few decades later that the term and concept of enslavement and chattel enslavement was used.
There were slaves of all races and race admixtures.
Ok with all of that being pointed out why were Jim Crow laws directed specifically towards blacks if the whole slavery thing was not about color? Whites were indentured servants first and after their time was up they were ALLOWED to blend in with the rest of society. Blacks after slavery tried to blend in but it was not until after legal action was taken and even then there were many that fought it.
Many groups like the Irish, Scottish, Germans, Italians, Dutch etc and other ethnic whites were not always considered white in British colonial period and even after for a significant or perceptible period and measure of time, especially the Irish. A marriage between a British and an Irish person was considered interracial. Irish also were not considered white or automatically white at least. In fact many Irish sometimps and often even worse than blacks and African Americans in the USA.
And, this is why I said that ppl have to consider the differences in and of the different time periods and perceptions. Colonial antebellum era and postbellum era are two completely different things. Even the postbellum era and period signicantly differs within it's time frame and within each and every decade of that period.
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What makes some of you think that the blacks were happy being slaves? The population of blacks was constantly rising and in many reports it has that there were more slaves than whites and uprising were becoming more common. Actually I believe if it was not for the timing of the civil war between the freed blacks, revolting slaves and the native americans there would have been a chance that the whites in the south would have been eradicated anyway.
Slavery was not abolished in Puerto Rico until 1873.
]Many groups like the Irish, Scottish, Germans, Italians, Dutch etc and other ethnic whites were not always considered white in British colonial period and even after for a significant or perceptible period and measure of time, especially the Irish. A marriage between a British and an Irish person was considered interracial. Irish also were not considered white or automatically white at least. In fact many Irish sometimps and often even worse than blacks and African Americans in the USA.[/b]
And, this is why I said that ppl have to consider the differences in and of the different time periods and perceptions. Colonial antebellum era and postbellum era are two completely different things. Even the postbellum era and period signicantly differs.
Please cite proof for these claims.
I am aware that the Irish immigrants to the United States were often discriminated against during and shortly after the great wave of immigration due to the potato famine, but have never encountered anything indicating that they, and the people of other nationalities which you cite, were considered anything but Caucasian.
If you are referring to the so-called "Black Irish" and "Black Dutch", these are other topics entirely.
I recently reread "April, 1865", an excellent account of the dramatic events leading up to Appomattox and Lincoln's assassination. In addition to dealing with April, this book continues on into May, and deals in some detail with General Johnston's continued Confederate campaign in North Carolina, and with the campaigns of other Confederate generals in the Deep South and West.
It was surprising to me to read that a great many of these generals proposed freeing the slaves, allowing slaves to enlist in the Confederate Army, or granting freedom to any slave who enlisted or who was drafted. Many of the generals also expressed serious doubts about the ethics of allowing slavery to continue in what they hoped would be an independent Confederate States of America (which they also assumed would be closely aligned with the United States as a trading partner and political/military ally).
Given these men's prominence and influence in the South, and given the economic factors already listed elsewhere in this thread, it seems likely that if the Confederacy had achieved independence and if a truce had been signed with the United States, slavery would have come to a complete end within five to ten years after the end of the war.
But this is surmise, and of course, we'll never know...as my g-g-grandfather, a Confederate field officer and a veteran of Pickett's Charge, told my father, then a young boy, "It (the war) was all a big mistake".
A big mistake, and a huge tragedy for our country and all its people.
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