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Old 01-06-2020, 03:21 PM
 
Location: League City
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Originally Posted by Gunluvver2 View Post
It's starting to look like were headed for war with IRAN War with Iran would good for the Houston economy Remember the boom that occurred during the IRAQ war.

YES certain segments of our economy may benefit financially. HOWEVER that is the worst reason in the world to go to war IMHO .

I firmly believe that the actions taken by Trump were to prevent a war, he said so and I believe him. Here
are a few things to consider.
First: An embassy is the sovereign territory of the country that it belongs to. That has been the practice for centuries.

Second: I think TRUMP must have had intelligence that made him believe that Suiiemeni (sic?) must have been the mastermind of the previous attack on our USA embassy that killed at least one of our people.

Third: Trump believed that Sukieman (sic?) was planning more actions against the USA.

For those reasons alone I BELIEVE Trump was/is right. That was not a provocative act by trump but a strong warning to Iran to act in a civilized way.

I lay a lot of the blame on actions taken by Iran on Previous leaders (i.e. Presidents). From Carter to Obama former US Presidents have let IRAN get away with murder! I would even say Ronald Reagan was weak against Iran in 1980. The taking of the US embassy and holding the 50+ US citizens hostage was an act of war and even though the hostages were released when Reagan was elected IRAN should have been severely punished.

Iran's actions a few days ago looked like another EMBASSY takeover in the making and at least ONE US marine was killed in that action. Trump PROBABLY prevent actions like those of 1979 from happening again.

Another thing I admire about Trump. The Iranian he killed was according to reports the number 2 man in Iran's leadership. I think taking out a man in the top echelon of leadership is a lot more MORAL than killing a bunch of lower ranking soldiers. Maybe there would be a lot FEWER wars if the leaders at the top KNEW they might die IF/WHEN acts of war were taken.
I genuinely hope you are just here to stir the pot and that you really, truly do not believe that these actions make the world a safer place for U.S. citizens. It doesn't take a degree in Middle East studies to understand why this was a bad idea.

 
Old 01-06-2020, 04:03 PM
 
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I genuinely hope you are just here to stir the pot and that you really, truly do not believe that these actions make the world a safer place for U.S. citizens. It doesn't take a degree in Middle East studies to understand why this was a bad idea.
Nah, I've seen these people go from Moral Majoritarians to neocons to libertarians to protofascists and right back to neocons in the space of maybe 10 years.

They're like the kid who shows up to school wearing the jersey of whatever quarterback won the Super Bowl that year.
 
Old 01-06-2020, 04:33 PM
 
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Another thing I admire about Trump. The Iranian he killed was according to reports the number 2 man in Iran's leadership. I think taking out a man in the top echelon of leadership is a lot more MORAL than killing a bunch of lower ranking soldiers. Maybe there would be a lot FEWER wars if the leaders at the top KNEW they might die IF/WHEN acts of war were taken.
Ahhh, so you are perfectly OK with Iran killing VP Pence or a top general in retaliation? Because assassinating country leaders is always a great thing for everyone.

Trump is a dolt who does things without thinking, simply because it feels good at the time. The hawks on Iran have no difficulty steering Trump into doing stupid things.
 
Old 01-06-2020, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I paid $1 for 2 months of the WSJ then $19.95 a month after that for full online digital access. So check back in 2 months to see if I go full monthly paid subscriber
Alas, the WSJ is not what it used to be, but every now and again there is some good reporting done.

That media bias chart is a joke. No way ABC, CBS, CNN, NY Times, WaPost are that close to being neutral. I subscribe to WaPost and NYTimes. It is stunning how anti-Trump they are.

Last year I was in Poland and only had access to CNN Intl and BBC. OMG I thought the world was coming to an end the way they reported on Trump. It wasn’t until I got home that I realized everything was still OK.

In spite of all the biases I still advocate for hearing/reading all sides of an issue. It does make me sad that there is so much vitriol in the country right now. Six months ago the media was pushing a narrative that the United States was entering recession territory, just to damage President Trump.

Like people somehow think war with Iran is good for Houston’s economy there are people out there who think bad things happening to the United States, like a recession, or like major retaliation from Iran, is somehow good because it will make Trump look bad. Hopefully this is the bottom of the pit. It’s sad.
 
Old 01-07-2020, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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Is this the same intelligence apparatus that was supppsedly trying to overthrow Donald Trump just a couple weeks ago? Now we're suddenly real quick to believe what they had to say.
FYI the "INTELLIGENCE" community is composed of thousands of personnel. A small part of those people are a part of the so called DEEP STATE. I am sure Trump has taken steps to identify the ones who he can rely on and trust their information. The swamp has not been drained yet but it is getting smaller.
 
Old 01-07-2020, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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[quote=WRM20;57032266]
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Originally Posted by Gunluvver2 View Post

Ahhh, so you are perfectly OK with Iran killing VP Pence or a top general in retaliation? Because assassinating country leaders is always a great thing for everyone.

Trump is a dolt who does things without thinking, simply because it feels good at the time. The hawks on Iran have no difficulty steering Trump into doing stupid things.
No I would not be OK with the assassination of any US President but I also believe that there are many operatives from various countries who are trying to do it. Do you really believe JFK was killed by Oswald?
RFK may have been killed by Sirhan Sirhan but did he do it without outside help?

How many millions of people might have lived if Stalin, Hitler and Mao had been assassinated during the 20th Century? Now ask that question about ANY US President of the past 120 years? There is such a thing as GOOD and EVIL.
 
Old 01-07-2020, 12:35 PM
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Location: Houston, TX/Detroit, MI
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No I would not be OK with the assassination of any US President but I also believe that there are many operatives from various countries who are trying to do it. Do you really believe JFK was killed by Oswald?
RFK may have been killed by Sirhan Sirhan but did he do it without outside help?

How many millions of people might have lived if Stalin, Hitler and Mao had been assassinated during the 20th Century? Now ask that question about ANY US President of the past 120 years? There is such a thing as GOOD and EVIL.
I’d refer you to Trumps interview with Bill O’Reily. “You have to look at what we’ve done” we’re his words when asked about Putin killing people.

Trump doesn’t care about “draining a swamp”. He just wants it to be his swamp people as opposed to swamp people he doesn’t like.
 
Old 01-07-2020, 09:42 PM
 
Location: C.R. K-T
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Originally Posted by Gunluvver2 View Post

I’d refer you to Trumps interview with Bill O’Reily. “You have to look at what we’ve done” we’re his words when asked about Putin killing people.

Trump doesn’t care about “draining a swamp”. He just wants it to be his swamp people as opposed to swamp people he doesn’t like.
Actually he is the Swamp, illegitimate, and the Deep State rolled into one!

No matter what caused the oil price to go up, Houston will benefit when oil is up.

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Ahhh, so you are perfectly OK with Iran killing VP Pence or a top general in retaliation? Because assassinating country leaders is always a great thing for everyone.
I would be very worried if Trump turned against his master Putin. Even Ramzan Kadyrov would not turn against Putin lest he uses Islamophobia and invoke ISIL invading Russia and the Orthodox Slavic East to appease Orthodox voters.

Putin, Khamenei, and Un could craft an assassination plot together for "Regime Change" until Pelosi is at the helm. Or Un could supply the missiles and Khamenei could supply the nukes! haha

The justifications are Dubya 2.0 again. It's already obvious that the assassination was a stunt designed to distract and diminish the Impeachment proceedings. If I was Pelosi, I would add an additional charge regarding this incident to the other 2 articles. More hearings, more investigations to deter Trump from creating additional distracting stunts!
 
Old 01-08-2020, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Mo City, TX
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Nobody has said the obvious, who is really behind it, those who shall not be named. What country has the most influence on US foreign policy regarding middle east matters? Hint, it's not Russia. Oh and Jeffery Epstein did not kill himself!
 
Old 01-08-2020, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Unplugged from the matrix
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56 people were stampeded to death at a funeral
Iran shoots down a civilian plane killing over 70 Iranians and Canadiens, and not a single American
Israel acts like they had nothing to do with it
Gas prices stilp flat

Looks to me like the US and Iran are deescalating and hopefully the US stops doing Israel's bidding. We send way too much money over to them. This whole thing is basically a draw as the US is pulling out of Iraq which is what the general wanted anyway. All this WW3 stuff was being pushed by one side all over social media but that was never going to happen. Iran is not powerful enough, plus China and Russia aren't going to get into a war.

I don't see this effecting the Houston economy at all.
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