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Immigration has been one of the main factors in California's collapse, If the good folks of Idaho don't raise their voices and get laws passed that make it uncomfortable for illegal aliens to inhabit the state they will invade you as they did Mexifornia.
Laws that take away health care, and social services from Illegals is a good start, then take away free education. Follow it up with English as the official language and no government paperwork will be printed in any language other than English or native American. Finally no signs can be in a language other than English.
Go after employers who use illegals, print their names in the news papers and don't do business with them. Fine employers big cash for using illegals and confiscate the belongings of illegals caught working and sell it to make recompense to the legal citizens of Idaho. Do these things and save your state.
Or watch it become California part II.
Ive had the bad fortune to live on and off in California from 76 to now, with long stays in Alaska, Florida and Illinois. In the time I've been in California I've seen it fall off a cultural cliff to the point that its not safe to go to a ball game, a park or almost any public gathering.
Its estimated that Illegals cost California more the 13 billion....yes that's billion with a B per year in costs to keep them here in Mexifornia.
Idaho, by the last census, is 11% Hispanic, and that figure is only the number of folks who declared themselves Hispanic. Since Hispanics are counted as white racially, the term is cultural much more than racial.
And the fact is, not all of them are illegal. No one can say exactly how many are or are not, because Idaho has never done a comprehensive check and never will. We are not talking about people who arrived last week here- there are families who have lived in Idaho for 5 generations who first crossed the border without papers 80 or more years ago.
With every 9th person you pass on the street being Hispanic, it's a given the culture is going to change. Get used to that one, too. "hispanic' says nothing about a person's country of origin, other than the language spoken. Mexicans are the largest part of the hispanics here, but Mexicans aren't the only group- we have people from all over Central and South America living in Idaho. Each has it's own culture.
It is very easy to say 'Kick 'em all out', but it's hellishly hard to do and double hell for expensive even attempting to do it. Idaho's agriculture would collapse if it was to happen. Every farmer in the state knows that fact, as does every legislator. Since agriculture is still Idaho's largest industry, and will remain so far after you're dead and gone, why make yourself miserable with something that won't change? Ring all the alarm bells you want- nobody much is listening.
America will soak them up just like every other group who has ever arrived on these shores. Always has, always will, and we all end up Americans, just as it has always been.
Idaho, by the last census, is 11% Hispanic, and that figure is only the number of folks who declared themselves Hispanic. Since Hispanics are counted as white racially, the term is cultural much more than racial.
And the fact is, not all of them are illegal. No one can say exactly how many are or are not, because Idaho has never done a comprehensive check and never will. We are not talking about people who arrived last week here- there are families who have lived in Idaho for 5 generations who first crossed the border without papers 80 or more years ago.
With every 9th person you pass on the street being Hispanic, it's a given the culture is going to change. Get used to that one, too. "hispanic' says nothing about a person's country of origin, other than the language spoken. Mexicans are the largest part of the hispanics here, but Mexicans aren't the only group- we have people from all over Central and South America living in Idaho. Each has it's own culture.
It is very easy to say 'Kick 'em all out', but it's hellishly hard to do and double hell for expensive even attempting to do it. Idaho's agriculture would collapse if it was to happen. Every farmer in the state knows that fact, as does every legislator. Since agriculture is still Idaho's largest industry, and will remain so far after you're dead and gone, why make yourself miserable with something that won't change? Ring all the alarm bells you want- nobody much is listening.
America will soak them up just like every other group who has ever arrived on these shores. Always has, always will, and we all end up Americans, just as it has always been.
Have to disagree with ya Mike, the attitude I see more often than not is that the illegals don't want to be Americans they just happen to live here. More than once I've had a parent tell me they don't care what their child learns or what grades they get as they will be moving back to Mexico in a few years.
And soaking them up? the immigration in the 1800 and 1900s was nothing compared to the flood we see now, those people came from Europe to be Americans and worked at fitting in. I don't see that same attitude now, I see an attitude of entitlement and resentment.
The German portion of my Family came to this country in 1693 as gun smiths and farmers. The created the German regiment in the revolutionary war to fight the British as Americans.
My Irish blood came here in 1842, they were farmers and then served in the Union army (18 of them served, 4 died) they died Americans not Irish-Americans.
There's a huge difference between the immigrants of the past and now, and I'm not one to shrink from telling the truth.
A local car show in Washington http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ooting24m.html called the "La Raza car show" ended in gunfire and 12 people were injured. What does La Raza mean? its the term Mexicans use to set themselves apart it means "the race" could I be allowed to have a white car show? and If I did would it end in gunfire? the answer is no to both.
Hi, Deadtime...
I don't shrink from telling the truth either.
The truth is no one- not the Government, any state in the Union, or any group of individuals- can force all the Latinos to pack up and move back home. There are too many of them. That doesn't mean you have to like it. It changes nothing if you like it or hate it. It's a done deal.
You are history teacher. You know that the floods of immigrants in the 19th century, particularly the Irish, were larger than the present Latino immigration. And you know the Irish were just as culturally and racially separated as the Latinos are now.
Just as there are Mexican-Americans now who want to move back to Mexico, the same went for the Irish. For every one who leaves, then and now, another arrives. Germans and Irish are still moving here.
Both immigrations used the immigrants as human mules. America needed human mules then, just as it does now. Both groups have risen above their menial beginnings. There was a time, as you know, that the idea of having an Irish President was preposterous.
There are more Irish-Americans now than Irish. Same goes for some other minorities. We soak them up in time, and assimilation always happens.
I agree there are aspects of the Mexican culture that a lot of Anglos don't like. Same goes in reverse.
But a person can spend an entire life in curdling in resentment, suspicion and hatred of the newcomers or learn to get along with them. One life is happier than the other. Neither changes the facts.
Playing the patriotism card means nothing.
Mexicans have shed their blood for American causes as long as your ancestors have, and are still sacrificing today. Just as it was for the Germans, Irish, Italians, Czechs, Dutch, Swedes, French, Poles, Serbs, Chinese, Moroccans, Chileans, Nigerians, Turks and Japanese, service in the military is a first step in assimilating.
In America, which bunch of immigrants shed their blood for their new country first doesn't count for anything at all. The fact that ALL groups have done it is the only one that matters. We are, and always have been a nation of mutts. It made us the greatest power on earth. Whether you see that fact as bad or good is up to you.
Was the point missed? Our country sold out from under us while people bicker and argue about what they like or do not like about immigrants. Where is the outrage? Who in Idaho has pushed back?
No one has pushed back. It's bad enough that people think that Idaho is full of racists. So by us pushing back we are making ourselves look racist. It's game over really we have already lost. None of us realize it yet. But one day we will. This country needs citizens. Unfortunately it has none...
It's not racisim.
We have a Governor who leaps before he looks, and a Legislature who will rubber stamp anything he wants. If they don't, he waits until the session is over and signs disputed bills into law by Executive Decision, as he did with the Education Reform debacle.
As soon as as it's a done deal, he ignores any uproar from the citizens. It's very easy for him to do with the governing party busy with stuff like loyalty oaths, and the opposing party so weak they can't accomplish any effective opposition.
The giveaway of Hwy. 12 to the oil companies, the Health Reform laws, and this development zone are just the latest. There will be many more to follow. Once Butch gets Tom Luna into the Governor's office, there will be even more. That is the way it always works in a one party state.
Well now that I have time to sit down and write more on the subject in a semi intelligent way.
The false economy of "cheap labor" that cheap fruit and vegetables aren't really cheap. So the farmer highers juan and and his wife to work his farm. They get paid minimum wage or less, the farmer thinks hes saving money and sure enough the produce looks cheaper at the store.
The wife then has 3 kids which are anchor babies, instantly become citizens. They qualify for free health care, wellfare, free education, if they are disabled they get Social security or SSI. They pay no tax's since they make so little that's on the books, so when they file tax's they get earned income...free money.
So the cheap produce isn't so cheap anymore is it? guess who's supporting Juan, his wife and his 3 anchor babies...you are. How about when the 3 anchor babies become old enough to sponsor their other family members to immigrate here? they bring their grandparents who are to old to work but instantly qualify for social security.....yea your paying that to.
If we don't control our borders we are doomed as a nation. Borders, language and culture are what keep a nation as one. Soon we will need to make a choice, close the border, deport all those who don't belong here or face the end of our nation which will fracture into smaller nations based on region and politics.
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