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When your not screaming racism, hate or needing to prove you dont have a singular agenda you cant be bothered.
I came to this site to hear the opposition, provide my opinions and debate the topic. I seem to be the new thread killer as no one wants to take on a guy that obviously is not race motivated.
Still cant get someone to step up and debate with me. Even asking for a debate from one member point blank was not enough.
I'm the wild card the opposition does not want heard. I'm the voice of reason they cant peg a label on. I'm the general public standing up. Extremist have no idea how to debate with a person like me.
Here are some threads I posted in. If your wanting a real debate with a cool head that you cant label.
I've also tried posting begging for the advantages of illegal immigration and have gotten no response. Normally I am called racist or inhumane which has nothing to do with this issue. There have been so many different angles I have tried to find a solution yet none respond unless it is Amnesty-which ain't gonna fly in America again.
Fine, jail employers.
SECURE OUR BORDER #1
No reward for illegal entrants-go back to where they belong and apply legally.
Stop all incentives-no more social service, housing, medical care unless TRUE emergent.
Change the anchor baby loophole.
After things settle, we'll look at our current immigration laws. Re: workers-we can use our work release program of non violent offenders to do this type of work.
Enforcing our laws will absolutely cause them to leave-attrition.
I think you aren't getting a debate because mostly everything you say is rational.
I'm a legal immigrant from the same country as your gf. I can't believe it took so long for her to get citizenship. Really? I applied for myself 7 years after the day I moved here and it really didn't take too much effort. I was also a minor at the time. Maybe times have changed. If so, that is sad for all the hard-working, talented people who are trying to become citizens, but who are foiled by the bad attitudes of less-than-legal, less-than-talented people.
I was also victim of an ADW with vehicle by a Hispanic family who clearly would rather have me dead than to pay for their bill. I don't know if they were illegals or not, but it sure makes me not want to be sympathetic to anything dealing with Hispanic people who cannot pay for their own livelihood - and illegal immigrants are under this umbrella. So I totally agree with everything you have said so far. You are gonna have a hard time finding a good debate on these here forums.
I've also got good friends who are Hispanic. They are good citizens. I also know lots of Hispanics with work permits who come here seeking a better life. These people are okay by my book.
There is nothing to debate. The very act of debating lends legitimacy to the criminal invaders and some credence to their illogical arguments. I try very hard not to respond to posts by the opposition. Of course, feel to trash the treasonous government and the politicians who have sold out our country.
Let's face it. No one in this forum is going to have their minds changed by this dialog. So why waste your time.
I think you aren't getting a debate because mostly everything you say is rational.
I'm a legal immigrant from the same country as your gf. I can't believe it took so long for her to get citizenship. Really? I applied for myself 7 years after the day I moved here and it really didn't take too much effort. I was also a minor at the time. Maybe times have changed. If so, that is sad for all the hard-working, talented people who are trying to become citizens, but who are foiled by the bad attitudes of less-than-legal, less-than-talented people.
I was also victim of an ADW with vehicle by a Hispanic family who clearly would rather have me dead than to pay for their bill. I don't know if they were illegals or not, but it sure makes me not want to be sympathetic to anything dealing with Hispanic people who cannot pay for their own livelihood - and illegal immigrants are under this umbrella. So I totally agree with everything you have said so far. You are gonna have a hard time finding a good debate on these here forums.
I've also got good friends who are Hispanic. They are good citizens. I also know lots of Hispanics with work permits who come here seeking a better life. These people are okay by my book.
They are if they are ethnocentrics trying to protect illegal aliens in this country.
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