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Old 08-05-2010, 11:03 AM
 
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The 14th amendment has nothing to do with giving birth rights to these leeches. Please see what we the people insist on no more easy citizenships. No more generations of useless collectors !

Sen. Mitch McConnell defends hearings on birthright citizenship - CSMonitor.com
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Old 08-05-2010, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I am still waiting for someone to explain why it is mean-spirited, racist, and xenophobic for us to want to reserve U.S. citizenship for the offspring of U.S. citizens? Most countries require at least one parent to be a citizen of their country to confer citizenship to the child. Yet, no one seems to have a problem with their laws.
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Old 08-05-2010, 11:18 AM
 
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I am still waiting for someone to explain why it is mean-spirited, racist, and xenophobic for us to want to reserve U.S. citizenship for the offspring of U.S. citizens? Most countries require at least one parent to be a citizen of their country to confer citizenship to the child. Yet, no one seems to have a problem with their laws.
I agree. Why is it okay for them but not for us
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Old 08-05-2010, 11:27 AM
 
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The 14th amendment has nothing to do with giving birth rights to these leeches. Please see what we the people insist on no more easy citizenships. No more generations of useless collectors !

Sen. Mitch McConnell defends hearings on birthright citizenship - CSMonitor.com
I read the article you attached and found the counter-argument by Michael Gerson to be long on polemic and emotion but short on substance.

What you would do is to amend the constitution so that birthright citizenship is ended after a specific date in the future. Thus there would be no impact on existing children only on future ones and their parents would then be able to make decisions knowing the law had been changed. That is exactly how the law was changed in the UK. If you were born there prior to 1983 then you are automatically a UK citizen. After 1983 then your citizenship is determined by descent or by naturalization. The only people victimized are those who try to exploit the system.
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Old 08-05-2010, 12:49 PM
 
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I read the article you attached and found the counter-argument by Michael Gerson to be long on polemic and emotion but short on substance.

What you would do is to amend the constitution so that birthright citizenship is ended after a specific date in the future. Thus there would be no impact on existing children only on future ones and their parents would then be able to make decisions knowing the law had been changed. That is exactly how the law was changed in the UK. If you were born there prior to 1983 then you are automatically a UK citizen. After 1983 then your citizenship is determined by descent or by naturalization. The only people victimized are those who try to exploit the system.
No need to amend, they don't have legal presence here. this will be
intepertated with the true meaning once and for all. the 14th was not meant to be a free past to every foreigner visiting the usa!

Jeez. twist it, spin it, till it fits the invaders agenda?
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Old 08-05-2010, 01:38 PM
 
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I am still waiting for someone to explain why it is mean-spirited, racist, and xenophobic for us to want to reserve U.S. citizenship for the offspring of U.S. citizens? Most countries require at least one parent to be a citizen of their country to confer citizenship to the child. Yet, no one seems to have a problem with their laws.
It is the same ethnocentric traitors that object to making English our official langauge. It is ok for other countries to have one but not us apparently.
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Old 08-05-2010, 02:14 PM
 
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No need to amend, they don't have legal presence here. this will be
intepertated with the true meaning once and for all. the 14th was not meant to be a free past to every foreigner visiting the usa!

Jeez. twist it, spin it, till it fits the invaders agenda?
Someone once said that politics is the art of the possible.

I have difficulty envisioning a situation where the Supreme Court gives an interpretation of the 14th Amendment which leads to several million individuals losing their status as US citizens. I also have difficulty in seeing a constitutional amendment which has the same result .... even though many see that as a desirable outcome.

However, an amendment which protects existing status but which closes the loophole going forward may very well be realizable even if it is not optimal.
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Old 08-05-2010, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I am still waiting for someone to explain why it is mean-spirited, racist, and xenophobic for us to want to reserve U.S. citizenship for the offspring of U.S. citizens?
Why do you care?

Isn't enough that it's unconstitutional?

Why get emotional about it?
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Old 08-05-2010, 02:28 PM
 
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Someone once said that politics is the art of the possible.

I have difficulty envisioning a situation where the Supreme Court gives an interpretation of the 14th Amendment which leads to several million individuals losing their status as US citizens. I also have difficulty in seeing a constitutional amendment which has the same result .... even though many see that as a desirable outcome.

However, an amendment which protects existing status but which closes the loophole going forward may very well be realizable even if it is not optimal.
I don't think that suggestion is even on the plate of those seeking change to the birthright citizenship fiasco. If that change occurs no one would be stripped of their citizenship prior to the change taking place. It will merely become law moving forward.
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Old 08-05-2010, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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I am still waiting for someone to explain why it is mean-spirited, racist, and xenophobic for us to want to reserve U.S. citizenship for the offspring of U.S. citizens? Most countries require at least one parent to be a citizen of their country to confer citizenship to the child. Yet, no one seems to have a problem with their laws.

Because the PRO illegals say it is

I hope you meant birthright citizenship btw..........
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