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Old 03-24-2011, 11:46 AM
 
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Well, what will they have to send back and support their relatives? How will their family members ever be able to afford to sneak into America without $$$$$ ?
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Old 03-24-2011, 12:04 PM
 
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It's interesting how greed and money trumps all. They would rather live apart from their own child than give up a single USA dollar.
The US born children of illegals are being used for nothing more than bartering chips for amnesty. Shameful.

This case illustrates yet again exactly why the 14th Amendment needs to be amended and clarified so that there is no automatic birthright citizenship unless at least one parent is a US citizen.
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Old 03-24-2011, 12:23 PM
 
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Unless at least one parent is here legally the child should not be considered an American citizen.

Today's case in point:

California Ward For ‘Maternity Tourists’ Shut Down « CBS Sacramento

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SAN GABRIEL, Calif. (AP) — Authorities shut down a makeshift maternity clinic crammed with 10 newborns and a dozen Chinese women who paid as much as $35,000 to travel to Southern California to give birth to children who would automatically be U.S. citizens, a newspaper reported Thursday.
This is ridiculous. Our citizenship laws were never meant to make sure that foreign nationals could abuse them.

The parents in the OP are a perfect example of this practice. Their sole argument for being allowed to stay here in violation of our laws is that they have given birth on American soil.
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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The NY Times covered this story the other day. As I pointed out, the father has been here FIFTEEN years in violation of our immigration laws. Said father does NOT speak English despite living here that long. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/23/nyregion/23citizen.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&ref=nyregion&adxnnlx= 1300975986-eYrkiD/ut0MlDGHJBxguJQ I have no idea why he and his family believe themselves sympathetic figures. ALL family members can go back to Guatemala if that is their home country. If the little girl wants to come to American she can come back here when is of legal age. But she should not be used an excuse to grant citizenship to her lazy, arrogant criminal parents. In the meantime the law should be changed so that you must be a legal American citizen to claim citizenship for your offspring. That's the real frustration here.
They should be deported immediately. I guess he is one of the growing Hispanic population the press is crowing about.
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Pa
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The real story here is how the parents put this child in this position. Its a story of how Illegals have abused our system for a number of years and now the innocent child is caught in the cross fire. Of course the pro side will say how bad the system is while ignoring that the real villians are the parents who of course are criminals.
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:37 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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The NY Times covered this story the other day. As I pointed out, the father has been here FIFTEEN years in violation of our immigration laws. Said father does NOT speak English despite living here that long. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/23/nyregion/23citizen.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&ref=nyregion&adxnnlx= 1300975986-eYrkiD/ut0MlDGHJBxguJQ I have no idea why he and his family believe themselves sympathetic figures. ALL family members can go back to Guatemala if that is their home country. If the little girl wants to come to American she can come back here when is of legal age. But she should not be used an excuse to grant citizenship to her lazy, arrogant criminal parents. In the meantime the law should be changed so that you must be a legal American citizen to claim citizenship for your offspring. That's the real frustration here.


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But she should not be used an excuse to grant citizenship to her lazy, arrogant criminal parents.


I dont know what you mean by ..."be used an excuse to grant citizenship". By law, she may sponsor her parents, but a simple "granting" is not the procedure.
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:43 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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The parents are the ones who created the problem. They entered illegally, they made a choice.

The child is in the middle of it, didn't make a choice to be born here.

Grandpa had a 20 year old immigration violation, the parents are illegally in the USA, the kid is in the middle.

They did the right thing by returning the kid with her grandfather to Guatemala.

The kid is a Guatemalan born in the United States, born to Guatemalan Nationals.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee people. It is what it is. The kid's a Guatemalan.

Now they need to find the parents and send them home too. Family reunited. All ends well like a fairy tale.
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Old 03-24-2011, 02:13 PM
 
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I dont know what you mean by ..."be used an excuse to grant citizenship". By law, she may sponsor her parents, but a simple "granting" is not the procedure.
Did you read the other articles? An American elected official is arguing that the parents should be allowed to say even though one of them is clearly an illegal immigrant.

Federal Officials Send 4-Year-Old U.S. Citizen Back To Guatemala
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Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) intervened on behalf of the Ruiz family on Tuesday, sending a letter to DHS calling for them to return the girl to her mother and father.

"This bureaucratic overreach and utter failure of commonsense has left a little girl -- a U.S. citizen no less -- stranded thousands of miles from her parents," Israel said in a statement. "I'm working with the family and their attorney to reunite Emily and her parents and asking for DHS to do a formal review of how this could have happened."
Shame on Steve Israel. When he means returned he clearly means returned to her illegal migrant parents who should be allowed to stay in the United States. That's ridiculous. The mother and father should go back to Guatemala and stay there. If the child wants to come back here when she's old enough then let her. But her parents have violated our immigration laws for years and years and years. Her father does not speak English and appears unashamed of that fact. Indeed he seems to believe the blame in this whole situation lies not on his shoulders but on Americans both for daring to finally enforce our laws and not having a Spanish speaking official on hands to meet his language needs.

They should be deported permanently. The laws should be changed to prevent this kind of situation from happening again. This is exactly why we call them anchor babies. If Ruiz had not fathered children he wouldn't dare go to an elected official and demand American citizenship.
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Old 03-24-2011, 02:49 PM
 
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I dont know what you mean by ..."be used an excuse to grant citizenship". By law, she may sponsor her parents, but a simple "granting" is not the procedure.
I really don’t think you want to discuss by law. By law, her parents should not be here. By law, they should not have a job. And, by law, they should be deported.

If this child is permitted to legalize the status of her parents, it would not be a simple issue of sponsorship. Unless they are required to return to Guatemala, and wait until their daughter is old enough to sponsor them, it would indeed be “granting” citizenship. However, all of these so-called parents should be disqualified from ever being sponsored by their children.
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:40 PM
 
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I really don’t think you want to discuss by law. By law, her parents should not be here. By law, they should not have a job. And, by law, they should be deported.

If this child is permitted to legalize the status of her parents, it would not be a simple issue of sponsorship. Unless they are required to return to Guatemala, and wait until their daughter is old enough to sponsor them, it would indeed be “granting” citizenship. However, all of these so-called parents should be disqualified from ever being sponsored by their children.
Yes, no anchor baby should be allowed to sponsor illegal parents or bring in elderly parents.

Family sponsorship has become nothing but a joke. The sponsors don't have to come up with any money for the support of their family members, they bring them in and they become the problem of taxpayers.

Family sponsorship should be limited to spouse and minor children only of a legal work sponsored immigrant or spouse of a USA citizen.
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