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Please explain why Congress would need to pass a law to take away birthright citizenship from children of illegal immigrants when your oft repeated claim is that those children don't receive birthright citizenship anyway.
Did I not just say that Congress could forever clarify BRC?
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Originally Posted by Sco
It seems like even the most extreme conservative members of Congress don't agree with your claim that birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants doesn't exist and could be taken away with a simple administrative action by the agency in charge of issuing passports. It appears to me that you have been caught spewing lies and that Congress knows that it will require new laws and a possible Constitutional Amendment to take away the same access to birthright citizenship that you say currently doesn't even exist.
Everybody has their opinion. So what. My position is that at best children born to illegals on US soil may be US Nationals.
And yet members of Congress have put forth a bill to clarify this since the 1990's when Harry Reid put it forth.
So you have no rational argument and claim I am spewing lies. Why does this not surprise me?
And the ratio decidendi required to settle that question.
Oh? Really?
Please give me the actual quotation that you paraphrase here into a straight line, determinative, causal connection. Because in all the hundred of times I have read that decision... I've never found anything that even vaguely sounds like "Wong was a citizen because the US and China had a treaty."
I'll wait.
Surmise? What about this definition is a guess? Exactly?
As ratio decidendi, that definition is an independent assertion of truth. It is independent of both the specific question before the court or the ultimate decision (although the decision is not independent of it). You can toss out all the red herring you wish, set up an army of straw men, cite other Supreme Court decisions that you have not bothered to even try and understand, just as long as they contain words you imagine are useful.
But that definition still stands there defiantly in the face of your every quibble.
Another opportunity for the new emoticon:
Thats right, YOUR ratio, not the actual ratio. Just like YOUR definition vs the actual definition.
Since that is not true for any other Supreme COurt Ruling, why would it be true this one time?
The Supreme Court does not make a habit of even considering cases that do not settle broad legal questions. Your understanding is palpably absurd.
The only question settled from WKA is that aliens here, domiciled and residing (in other words here legally with the consent of our government), give birth to US Citizens if on US soil.
Wow. That's a neat trick. Arbitrarily asserting that a Supreme Court decision is irrelevant because you don't like it. I'll be sure to let Justice Roberts know that the court has a new uber-authority named "Liquid Reigns."
Do you mean I didn't do what you have done? And here I used you as my role model. WAFM
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Originally Posted by HistorianDude
The same reason we are having this argument today. There are people who for whatever reason really, really don't like the law.
Bouve was arguing the children should acquire BRC, not be denied it. Why would that need to be argued if what you claim is true? Certainly there were denials to BRC to children born of illegals on US soil after WKA for Bouve to make such an argument.
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