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Old 04-25-2013, 07:40 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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Uh; many kids raised in the US but born elsewhere to NON US citizen parents have been deported. Not just Hispanic kids.

If you want to try to "deport" me because I want my country's borders controlled, have at it. I ain't breaking any laws.
They're not 'deported'. They're accompanying their parents who have been deported. The kids are free to return to the US anytime they like either accompanied by an adult guardian with a valid visa, or on their own once they turn 18.

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Considering those around here who claim to dislike her, that's a signal to me that she's doing a very good job.
Ugh don't post that picture, I nearly spit my morning coffee all over my monitor. And now I'm not hungry for my breakfast anymore. Today WAS going to be epic. I WAS about to Quaker Up.
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:03 AM
 
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Obama is not going to let anyone be deported if he can.That is our problem
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Old 04-25-2013, 01:02 PM
 
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The law does not state to pick & choose which ones should be followed.
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:12 PM
 
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The law does not state to pick & choose which ones should be followed.
Well that seems to be what they are getting away with.
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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For one thing; they are not all innocent. All have at least committed the crime of illegally entering our country.
Except for the ones that didn't. 40% entered legally, and overstayed their visa, which isn't a crime in of itself (no fine, no jail time, nada).

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Some are gang members. Some are involved with drugs.
Some being the key word.

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And all of them want something for nothing – they did not work or pay into the system (or were even asked to do so).
Except for the taxes and social security they pay with no expectation of ever collecting. It's offset by state benefits to some extent, but they didn't steal it. The government doesn't ask, freely hands the aid out. Who is to blame for being irresponsible with taxpayer money? Elected representatives or aid applicants?
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:33 PM
 
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Except for the taxes and social security they pay with no expectation of ever collecting. It's offset by state benefits to some extent, but they didn't steal it. The government doesn't ask, freely hands the aid out. Who is to blame for being irresponsible with taxpayer money? Elected representatives or aid applicants?
Illegals will take anything they can get away with, from ID fraud to SS fraud.

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Except for the ones that didn't. 40% entered legally, and overstayed their visa, which isn't a crime in of itself (no fine, no jail time, nada).
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8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the
purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be
imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than
$250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise
for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws
shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance
with title 18, or both.
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Illegals will take anything they can get away with, from ID fraud to SS fraud.
Citation needed. And with SS fraud and ID theft, gee I wonder why they steal only the things we stubbornly refuse to give them! Stupid illegals why won't you just shrivel up and die!

As a self appointed champion of the law, you should read the law you pasted more carefully. It relates to illegal entry, not visa overstay after legal entry. The law doesn't really matter to you does it? It's whatever keeps those "others" out.
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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Illegals will take anything they can get away with, from ID fraud to SS fraud.
I wouldn't steal from others just because our idiot government freely gives our taxes to those who shouldn't be entitled to it. That's like saying well the bank robber gave me part of his loot so to hell with the bank and I'm not guilty of anything.

Speaking of them supposedly not getting back taxes they pay in this bears repeating.

Investigators: Child tax credit allows fraudsters a chance to cheat :: WRAL.com

Illegals don't pay in enough to cover their social costs either. They are costing us billions a year. How anyone can defend these thieving fraudsters is beyond my comprehension. And then they have the nerve to compare them to the plight of our black "citizens" long ago?
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:52 PM
 
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Citation needed. And with SS fraud and ID theft, gee I wonder why they steal only the things we stubbornly refuse to give them! Stupid illegals why won't you just shrivel up and die!

As a self appointed champion of the law, you should read the law you pasted more carefully. It relates to illegal entry, not visa overstay after legal entry. The law doesn't really matter to you does it? It's whatever keeps those "others" out.
Reading comprehension:

3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense
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Old 04-29-2013, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Reading comprehension:

3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense
Let's try this again. This subsection refers to illegal entry by lying. You can enter truthfully, have your circumstances change, and then remain and become "illegal." You would have entered legally, thereby not running afoul of this part of the law, and then continue to be unlawfully present (which on it's own does not carry criminal penalties.)
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