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I now see the reason why people are against illegal immigration and I am no longer angry with those who are against it. I have been conducting research (and therapy) on this site for the past 6 years and I have finally finished! My book "From the shadows I move" will be published next summer.
I will now change my position to neutral. I have evolved thanks to this site!
Glad to see you can evolve. I personally feel only the ignorant are inflexible or unwilling to compromise.
Case in point. I see a child born here as an American citizen. The supreme courts seems to think so also.
5 years ago I did not. Until the constitution is amended to change this that is the law.
Children brought here as an infant or young child. They had no control over their fate and we need to look at this from that perspective. It isn't black and white.
The parents. Hey they made a choice to violate our laws. They also knew if they were caught they faced deportation. They gambled and if caught should face the consequences.
I now see the reason why people are against illegal immigration and I am no longer angry with those who are against it. I have been conducting research (and therapy) on this site for the past 6 years and I have finally finished! My book "From the shadows I move" will be published next summer.
I will now change my position to neutral. I have evolved thanks to this site!
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Lazaro
Good for you that you took it upon yourself to research this issue rather than continuing to react under emotionalism. However, after having done that I don't see how anyone can just switch to neutral on this issue.
Glad to see you can evolve. I personally feel only the ignorant are inflexible or unwilling to compromise.
Case in point. I see a child born here as an American citizen. The supreme courts seems to think so also.
5 years ago I did not. Until the constitution is amended to change this that is the law.
Children brought here as an infant or young child. They had no control over their fate and we need to look at this from that perspective. It isn't black and white.
The parents. Hey they made a choice to violate our laws. They also knew if they were caught they faced deportation. They gambled and if caught should face the consequences.
Actually, the SC has never addressed a case of birthright citizenship for a U.S. born baby of parents here illegally. They have never delved into what the writer's of the 14th intent and meaning actually was. It has only been assumed that they are instant citizens. A new amendment wouldn't even be necessary to clarify the true interpretation of it.
As for kids brought here by their parents of course by no fault of their own I still don't see that it should entitle them to stay here. The whole family can return together to their homeland especially if the kids are minors. They should not be separated from their parents would you not agree?
I guess these are a couple of things we will have to agree to disagree on tinman but at least we can do so with civility.
Actually, the SC has never addressed a case of birthright citizenship for a U.S. born baby of parents here illegally. They have never delved into what the writer's of the 14th intent and meaning actually was. It has only been assumed that they are instant citizens. A new amendment wouldn't even be necessary to clarify the true interpretation of it.
As for kids brought here by their parents of course by no fault of their own I still don't see that it should entitle them to stay here. The whole family can return together to their homeland especially if the kids are minors. They should not be separated from their parents would you not agree?
I guess these are a couple of things we will have to agree to disagree on tinman but at least we can do so with civility.
I refer to a child who was brought here at a young age, they know no different life. As far as they know they are american. WE can afford to be generous to such who through no fault of their own are put in a bad position. The parents however, deserve no such break and need to be held at least to the same level of accountability a a legal immigrant caught violating our laws, or a citizen for that matter.
I refer to a child who was brought here at a young age, they know no different life. As far as they know they are american. WE can afford to be generous to such who through no fault of their own are put in a bad position. The parents however, deserve no such break and need to be held at least to the same level of accountability a a legal immigrant caught violating our laws, or a citizen for that matter.
These kids are taught the culture and language of their native country by their parents. Many have relatives still in the homeland that they stay in touch with or visit. I don't see any culture shock for them to return to their homelands along with their parents even as adults. Heck even American kids whose parents are in the military and stationed in another country adapt to their new environments. American kids whose family moves from the east coast the west coast have some adaptation to make but they manage. You know and I know that these kids who are adults now will cry separation of families if they are allowed to stay but their parents deported. The solution IMO is for the entire family to return to their homeland where they all belong.
I look at it from a different perspective. It isn't punishing the "kids" but not rewarding their parents for having broken our immigration laws by allowing their kids (whether they be minors or adults) that they dragged here illegally to remain here.
Actually, the SC has never addressed a case of birthright citizenship for a U.S. born baby of parents here illegally. They have never delved into what the writer's of the 14th intent and meaning actually was. It has only been assumed that they are instant citizens. A new amendment wouldn't even be necessary to clarify the true interpretation of it.
As for kids brought here by their parents of course by no fault of their own I still don't see that it should entitle them to stay here. The whole family can return together to their homeland especially if the kids are minors. They should not be separated from their parents would you not agree?
I guess these are a couple of things we will have to agree to disagree on tinman but at least we can do so with civility.
Other countries have had birthright citizenship as part of their laws as well so it's not just the US.
But those countries have changed their laws due to mass immigration and birth tourism to require one parent to be a citizen. It's either Ireland or New Zealand that was the last country to change their law in 2005.
Only the US and Canada retain the birthright citizenship laws among the wealthy economies of the world.
These kids are taught the culture and language of their native country by their parents. Many have relatives still in the homeland that they stay in touch with or visit. I don't see any culture shock for them to return to their homelands along with their parents even as adults. Heck even American kids whose parents are in the military and stationed in another country adapt to their new environments. American kids whose family moves from the east coast the west coast have some adaptation to make but they manage. You know and I know that these kids who are adults now will cry separation of families if they are allowed to stay but their parents deported. The solution IMO is for the entire family to return to their homeland where they all belong.
I look at it from a different perspective. It isn't punishing the "kids" but not rewarding their parents for having broken our immigration laws by allowing their kids (whether they be minors or adults) that they dragged here illegally to remain here.
I'm with you on this.
The issue I have had with the "anchor baby" situation is that the parents WERE HERE ILLEGALLY. I think we need to enforce the laws we have on the books. If immigrants are here illegally, it shouldn't matter if you have kids or not. EVERYONE needs to go back home. They should be thankful that they got the social and medical services they did, while they did. The gravy train needs to end.
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