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Exactly. If the current immigration laws are enforced, they will have no choice but to go back. They need to be cut off benefits like foodstamps. Many benefits are given to non-citizens making it easy for them to stay. Others steal the identity of real citizens.
How Many Millions could the Federal Gov and States Save on cutting those you are Illegal. Save those dollar for Americans who need help.
How Many Millions could the Federal Gov and States Save on cutting those you are Illegal. Save those dollar for Americans who need help.
Less Americans will need help once the illegals haul tail back to where they came from. We can work on getting our homeless off the street, improving the education system, so many things can be improved when we free up the funds that the illegals are costing us.
Really in 24 months, with no jobs and cutting the welfare benefits, actually allowing border control and local authorities to get the balls rolling, it will be VERY noticeable. It will be slow enough for adjustments to be made like hiring U S citizens.
Stopping the spiral into 3rd world status? I had given up hope until Trump stepped up as had many others.
Again, no one is talking about rounding them all up. Who cares if they came here for work? They have no business being here much less working here. Most of the jobs they do have always been done by Americans for a fair wage. There will be no enormous "negative' consequences to our economy if they left. It would all be a positive for most Americans. The only ones crying in their beer would be the cheapskate employers who hire them and their ethnocentric supporters and who cares about them?
I for one am tired of the "but they're hardworking" trope. That and the "we're a nation of immigrants" line has been so abused. Just because we're an open and heterogeneous people doesn't mean we don't have a country and a culture of our own. Apparently to many people we're just a plot of land and if you can get here and manage to eek out a job for some cash--even if the job is unnecessary--then that makes you an American with all the rights and privileges that that carries. You could work 60 hours a week but if you're still pulling benefits, you are not a boon to our country.
My state is running out of water. If there's an engineer out there working on desalination plants that cost less and don't damage our environment, I want that person in the U.S. If there's a primary care physician interested in serving inner city or rural areas, I want that person here. If there's someone eager to become fluent in English, who's interested in American culture and history and living among Americans (not a neighborhood in America made up of his old compatriots) I want that person here. What I don't want is an imbalance. I don't want America to become a nation of marginally bilingual but "hardworking" fruit pickers and factory workers.
I for one am tired of the "but they're hardworking" trope. That and the "we're a nation of immigrants" line has been so abused. Just because we're an open and heterogeneous people doesn't mean we don't have a country and a culture of our own. Apparently to many people we're just a plot of land and if you can get here and manage to eek out a job for some cash--even if the job is unnecessary--then that makes you an American with all the rights and privileges that that carries. You could work 60 hours a week but if you're still pulling benefits, you are not a boon to our country.
My state is running out of water. If there's an engineer out there working on desalination plants that cost less and don't damage our environment, I want that person in the U.S. If there's a primary care physician interested in serving inner city or rural areas, I want that person here. If there's someone eager to become fluent in English, who's interested in American culture and history and living among Americans (not a neighborhood in America made up of his old compatriots) I want that person here. What I don't want is an imbalance. I don't want America to become a nation of marginally bilingual but "hardworking" fruit pickers and factory workers.
Again, no one is talking about rounding them all up. Who cares if they came here for work? They have no business being here much less working here. Most of the jobs they do have always been done by Americans for a fair wage. There will be no enormous "negative' consequences to our economy if they left. It would all be a positive for most Americans. The only ones crying in their beer would be the cheapskate employers who hire them and their ethnocentric supporters and who cares about them?
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Originally Posted by GHOSTRIDER AZ
Yes by all means employer penalties and active enforcement. Plus being a employer I9 Forms, SSN and permits that are manipulated by HR everyone should go to jail.
I for one am tired of the "but they're hardworking" trope. That and the "we're a nation of immigrants" line has been so abused. Just because we're an open and heterogeneous people doesn't mean we don't have a country and a culture of our own. Apparently to many people we're just a plot of land and if you can get here and manage to eek out a job for some cash--even if the job is unnecessary--then that makes you an American with all the rights and privileges that that carries. You could work 60 hours a week but if you're still pulling benefits, you are not a boon to our country.
My state is running out of water. If there's an engineer out there working on desalination plants that cost less and don't damage our environment, I want that person in the U.S. If there's a primary care physician interested in serving inner city or rural areas, I want that person here. If there's someone eager to become fluent in English, who's interested in American culture and history and living among Americans (not a neighborhood in America made up of his old compatriots) I want that person here. What I don't want is an imbalance. I don't want America to become a nation of marginally bilingual but "hardworking" fruit pickers and factory workers.
Quoting you to make sure everyone reads your post. You can't be anymore tired of the quoted above than I am.
I have known legal immigrants from a few different countries. My son married a woman from an Asian country and she had a son from a previous relationship. The world didn't stop for them when they arrived. She worked very hard to become a US citizen and is learning our language while struggling to get her nursing degree. Her son wasn't taught in his native language but he learned English quickly and is an excellent student and in 3 years when he graduates, he is joining the US military!
Now, when it comes to speaking/learning English, I don't get the excuse. I subbed as a teacher's assistant in southern AZ. I worked several times in the high school with teens with developmental disabilities. There was one student with Down syndrome and his mother only spoke Spanish so one day, the teacher needed to call his mother about something and I watched as the teen translated from English to Spanish and Spanish to English so that they could all communicate. This was not a high functioning student. I was just blown away by that! I'm guessing you see my point here. It isn't that they can't, they won't.
I worked with a lady here legally from Korea and she was so hesitant to speak because her English wasn't great. I kept making conversation with her at work and after awhile, she announced that she was happy that I made her talk because her English was so much better. She wanted desperately for her daughter to speak English at home. She had given her daughter an "American" name because her daughter was American. They still kept their Korean cultures alive in their home and church. It cost her family SO much money and took a very long time to come here.
Having known a lot of people from foreign lands, I often find it sad and am so envious because as Americans, we have had so much of our culture stripped away. If we celebrate anything about our cultures or our country, it seems like some how, it is always not PC.
Most of the illegals that I see in North Carolina are Mexican. What I observe about them is that they do not want to integrate within the community. Don't learn English, stay within their own community, (shopping, housing), work off the books, and are not paying into SS.
This combined with the conditions that I have to put up with, more traffic, more of my time wasted at the gym, shopping, driving, makes me very angry about them being here.
This is the plan though. The 0.1% derive all of the benefits of illegals living here while the rest of us suffer from it.
Trump won't be the next president so this is just pie in the sky nonsense. Aside from that, the way to do it is not to "round people up" like cattle, but to simply deny them what they came here for: work. That will have enormous unintended and undesirable consequences for the economy, but hey, who cares, right?
Right. You actually don't have to round anyone up. In fact, you don't even need a border fence or patrol. Just sanction employers with serious fines and loss of their business license and you will see the problem come to an immediate end.
Unfortunately, I haven't heard Trump talk much about this route, perhaps because he is so pro business and needs the support from that sector. It is also sexier to talk about sending people packin' with a strong foot planted firmly in their behind versus puzzling the average conservative with a higher concept like supply and demand.
Right. You actually don't have to round anyone up. In fact, you don't even need a border fence or patrol. Just sanction employers with serious fines and loss of their business license and you will see the problem come to an immediate end.
Unfortunately, I haven't heard Trump talk much about this route, perhaps because he is so pro business and needs the support from that sector. It is also sexier to talk about sending people packin' with a strong foot planted firmly in their behind versus puzzling the average conservative with a higher concept like supply and demand.
Jobs aren't the only thing that brings them here. Birthright citizenship for their kids and benefits do also. So all three of these magnets needs to come to a halt.
Right. You actually don't have to round anyone up. In fact, you don't even need a border fence or patrol. Just sanction employers with serious fines and loss of their business license and you will see the problem come to an immediate end.
Unfortunately, I haven't heard Trump talk much about this route, perhaps because he is so pro business and needs the support from that sector. It is also sexier to talk about sending people packin' with a strong foot planted firmly in their behind versus puzzling the average conservative with a higher concept like supply and demand.
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
Jobs aren't the only thing that brings them here. Birthright citizenship for their kids and benefits do also. So all three of these magnets needs to come to a halt.
Agreed.
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