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Old 06-09-2017, 05:52 AM
 
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Agriculture is a heavily subsidized industry. If we are talking about government welfare, agriculture is the one and green energy is another.

 
Old 06-09-2017, 07:25 AM
 
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Actually, you are overlooking one very real possibility that could be scary. That one is that the workers are kicked out, the wall is built, there is no real immigration reform, allowing more immigrants from Mexico or any other low income nation. The result is that farmers don't have the labor to pick crops without increasing wages dramatically. This cost is passed along to the markets and our entire food supply could rise 20% or more. This drives the poverty level higher, causing increases in welfare demand and less tax revenue.

I'm actually for immigration reform. We should have more control over who comes into and across our borders, but immigrants need not be made into criminals, especially when they have been here paying taxes for years, have American children.

A lot of animosity is hurled towards them until they are found they are needed. Like in 2011 when they had to revise HB 2012
As proposed, House Bill 2012 would create tough state punishments for those who "intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly" hire an unauthorized immigrant. Violators could face up to two years in jail and a fine of up to $10,000.
But it is an exception included in the bill that is drawing attention. Those who hire unauthorized immigrants would be in violation of the law -- unless they are hiring a maid, a lawn caretaker or another houseworker.
It is a tough immigration bill with a soft side that protects those who hire unauthorized immigrants "for the purpose of obtaining labor or other work to be performed exclusively or primarily at a single-family residence."
Texas state Rep. Aaron Pena, a Republican, (and a hypocrite - added by me) said the exception is a wise one.

Most of your post is pure nonsense and why have immigration laws if we aren't going to enforce them? We don't need illegal aliens for anything all they do is compete with Americans for blue-collared jobs. They cost us $113 billion a year in social costs so no, they don't save us anything on produce either especially when so few of them are picking crops.
 
Old 06-09-2017, 08:14 AM
 
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If illegals are not needed, why are they hired... millions of them?

Are you joking? It's not about need but greed and profit. Where have you been?
 
Old 06-09-2017, 08:19 AM
 
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It's funny how the right wing never brings up the employers, be they agricultural related or not. It's 100% fault of the brown man.

Are you joking? The greedy employers are brought up all the time by conservatives. Just read the posts in this forum. Trump has e-verify in his 2018 budget. If that's not addressing/blaming the employers for their share of the blame in this then I don't know what is. Brown man? WTH does that mean? The skin color of an illegal alien is irrelevant unless one is playing the victim card. Hmm.....
 
Old 06-09-2017, 08:23 AM
 
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Probably because the employer is almost always a fellow white/gringo, but can't bring that up for obvious reasons

Oh, stop with the race card! It's not only whites that hire illegal aliens for profit.
 
Old 06-09-2017, 08:32 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Maybe if the fed stops goosing the interest rates and let the free markets level things out, maybe if we lower corporate taxes and regulations so that it is cheaper for business to hire Americans, maybe if younger Americans understood the value of hard work and not trying to be a star on YouTube - these businesses wouldn't crave illegal labor.
Yes. The value of hard work is at least $15/hour, not the measly $7.25/hour our Republican governor Greg Abbott thinks is appropriate. I would love to see him try to live on $7.25/hour, not to mention expect employees to work hard and keep a good attitude. No matter how low the cost of living, (and the supposedly low cost of living in Texas is increasing very rapidly,) no one can have a decent quality of living when they earn $15,660 annually before taxes.
 
Old 06-09-2017, 10:23 AM
 
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Blame socialism, its tax and overhead burden, that compels American employers to seek undocumented workers.
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Abolish socialism, and you not only end the advantage for hiring illegals, but you also eliminate the allure of freebies that attract parasites who drop anchor babies.
Absolute nonsense...

Usually people who post these sorts of comments don't even know what socialism really is. "Abolish socialism" in America and you've essentially not done a thing. Here again, I think ignorance is the primary problem and what continues to hold us back from progress toward a better way in this country, no doubt toward a better immigration policy that more people can better understand.
 
Old 06-09-2017, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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AI think ignorance is the primary problem and what continues to hold us back from progress toward a better way in this country, no doubt toward a better immigration policy that more people can better understand.
What is (in your opinion) a better immigration policy?

would you care to elaborate ?
 
Old 06-09-2017, 10:28 AM
 
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“Every day, the food we eat, the dairy products, the wine, the berries and veggies — it all passes through the hands of undocumented immigrants,” said Gutiérrez.

Yes, because greedy growers prefer to rack up profits by taking advantage of these people. Meanwhile the real losers are American workers, who would indeed do such jobs. The wages, and yes, the price of food would go up. '

Frankly, I'd rather pay a bit more for food and see Americans have jobs. It would also have the benefit of perhaps reducing our obesity epidemic if people didn't buy such large quantities of cheap food.
Mostly true...

It isn't really "greed" that forces employers to find every way possible to keep their expenses down. It is competition, the need to sell, volume, the ongoing strategy of making all the money you can in every way you can for as long as you can in order to forever distance yourself from not making money and/or going broke.

Whether or not we would "pay more" depends on a good many other factors, like whether we would allow more immigrants to come here for work, minimum wage laws, etc., but your "heart is in the right place." Fact is, however, most American consumers don't want to pay anything more than they absolutely must, so low shelf prices tend to win in the end, along with all that provides for those cheaper costs of goods and services.

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Old 06-09-2017, 10:36 AM
 
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Everything Cesar Chavez fought for, is used for illegals on a national scale as if they are here under a migrant crop pickers visa.
Chavez was an American who worked in the fields. His family eventually became migrant farm workers and through that experience (that most Americans obviously never know), Chavez became a civil rights leader, using nonviolent tactics like MLK advocated. Anyone who looks at all that Chavez did in this regard and sees more bad than good -- all considered -- is someone who is simply out of touch with these sorts of social/labor problems in general.
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