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Old 09-04-2017, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Disgusting. That is 25.3 Billion that could have gone to help legal citizens and build infrastructure not to mention the reduction in insurance policies.

California loves their illegal aliens and their Sanctuary cities so let them have them. I think Trump's wall needs to head North after sealing off the Southern border.
I don't know how the taxpaying legal public can be happy with their hard earned dollars going to people who should not be living among them. It boggles the mind.
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Old 09-04-2017, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Disgusting. That is 25.3 Billion that could have gone to help legal citizens and build infrastructure not to mention the reduction in insurance policies.

California loves their illegal aliens and their Sanctuary cities so let them have them. I think Trump's wall needs to head North after sealing off the Southern border.
I don't know how the taxpaying legal public can be happy with their hard earned dollars going to people who should not be living among them. It boggles the mind.
Disgusting if it were true but it's not:

How an Astounding New Right-Wing Lie About the Economy Was Born | Alternet

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.67f6f7915d8e
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Old 09-04-2017, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Florida & Cebu, Philippines
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"illegals" don't get one cent in welfare, if you believe otherwise then prove it.
They do when they have anchor babies and even sometimes when they use someone else's SS# and besides that they cost taxpayers a lot of money for many items, jails, schools, food programs etc, etc, etc, deport them all asap.
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The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer
In contrast to lawful immigrants, unlawful immigrants at present do not have access to means-tested welfare, Social Security, or Medicare. This does not mean, however, that they do not receive government benefits and services. Children in unlawful immigrant households receive heavily subsidized public education. Many unlawful immigrants have U.S.-born children; these children are currently eligible for the full range of government welfare and medical benefits. And, of course, when unlawful immigrants live in a community, they use roads, parks, sewers, police, and fire protection; these services must expand to cover the added population or there will be “congestion” effects that lead to a decline in service quality.

In 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes. This generated an average annual fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of around $14,387 per household. This cost had to be borne by U.S. taxpayers. Amnesty would provide unlawful households with access to over 80 means-tested welfare programs, Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare. The fiscal deficit for each household would soar.
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Old 09-04-2017, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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They do when they have anchor babies and even sometimes when they use someone else's SS# and besides that they cost taxpayers a lot of money for many items, jails, schools, food programs etc, etc, etc, deport them all asap.
Two issues here. Anchor babies are US Citizens, if you don't like birthright citizenship that's something you and I can agree on but if you think that as long as birthright citizenship is the law of the land that 'anchor babies' should be treated differently than other children that's an issue where you are on the wrong side of the law and of public opinion.

Regarding the Heritage link about the cost of "illegal immigrants", did you notice the specious claims they make? Such as the $12,000 a year for public education? That's just stupid because if you took all the undocumented kids out of school (and there aren't that many) the fixed costs of education, i.e. facilities, salaries, administration would not drop by anything close to $12,000 a year. And then they try to blow up the numbers into something really dramatic they mention "police, fire, highways, parks, and similar services". Those costs are not driven very much by population no matter what the hacks at Heritage would have you believe. You don't hire more firefighters unless you build more houses or have a huge increase in population, and if you disposed of some of that population you don't lay off public employees. Nor do you build highways and parks to accommodate "illegals"

California has a population of 39 million people, in 2014 the undocumented population was about 2.3 million and several sources estimate that it has dropped since then, so how is that population going to drive all these costs? It makes no sense at all.
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Old 09-04-2017, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Florida & Cebu, Philippines
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Two issues here. Anchor babies are US Citizens, if you don't like birthright citizenship that's something you and I can agree on but if you think that as long as birthright citizenship is the law of the land that 'anchor babies' should be treated differently than other children that's an issue where you are on the wrong side of the law and of public opinion.

Regarding the Heritage link about the cost of "illegal immigrants", did you notice the specious claims they make? Such as the $12,000 a year for public education? That's just stupid because if you took all the undocumented kids out of school (and there aren't that many) the fixed costs of education, i.e. facilities, salaries, administration would not drop by anything close to $12,000 a year. And then they try to blow up the numbers into something really dramatic they mention "police, fire, highways, parks, and similar services". Those costs are not driven very much by population no matter what the hacks at Heritage would have you believe. You don't hire more firefighters unless you build more houses or have a huge increase in population, and if you disposed of some of that population you don't lay off public employees. Nor do you build highways and parks to accommodate "illegals"

California has a population of 39 million people, in 2014 the undocumented population was about 2.3 million and several sources estimate that it has dropped since then, so how is that population going to drive all these costs? It makes no sense at all.
Anchor babies should never be citizens unless at least one parent is a U.S. citizen.

As for costs, deport them all and then we will find out who is correct and who is wrong. Costs include extra manpower based on extra population for just about everything, so more teachers, more janitors, more books, more cafeteria workers, more police, more fire persons, just plain more of everything, and they use the highways and parks so more repairs, thus more cost. Next we have free school lunches and all they come with for EACH student, think about what just those cost.
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Old 09-04-2017, 11:24 AM
 
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But they pay taxes...
In reality some claim the earned income credit and get more back than they put in. I suspect it's a large number.
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Old 09-04-2017, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Anchor babies should never be citizens unless at least one parent is a U.S. citizen.

As for costs, deport them all and then we will find out who is correct and who is wrong. Costs include extra manpower based on extra population for just about everything, so more teachers, more janitors, more books, more cafeteria workers, more police, more fire persons, just plain more of everything, and they use the highways and parks so more repairs, thus more cost. Next we have free school lunches and all they come with for EACH student, think about what just those cost.
Oh for heaven's sake, you aren't going to deport citizen children so let's quit playing games.
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Old 09-04-2017, 11:34 AM
 
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It already is in ruins.
You took the words right out of my mouth.

This state has become a cesspool because of the idiot politicians like kamala Harris and Kevin de Leon (who says half his family are illegal immigrants) who care more about illegal immigrants than US citizens.

Leaders here are socialists who have destroyed this once great state.
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Old 09-04-2017, 11:35 AM
 
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In reality some claim the earned income credit and get more back than they put in. I suspect it's a large number.
And a large number pay taxes without ever receiving a penny back
  • Stephen Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration, estimates that about 1.8 million immigrants were working with fake or stolen Social Security cards in 2010...he calculates that undocumented immigrants paid $13 billion into the retirement trust fund that year
  • The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a Washington, D.C., think tank, estimates that about half of undocumented workers in the United States pay income taxes. They also help fund public schools and local government services by paying sales and property taxes like any other resident. This added up to about $10.6 billion in state and local taxes in 2010, according to an analysis by the institute.
  • In 2010, about 3 million people paid over $870 million in income taxes using an ITIN, and according to the IRS, ITIN filers pay $9 billion in payroll taxes annually. (The IRS says it does not share ITIN information with immigration authorities.)
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...-taxes/499604/

PS The issue with undocumented people receiving EITC, that is something that could be fixed quickly if Congress wanted to change it. All they would have to do is prohibit EITC to anyone who files with an ITIN rather than a SSN. Maybe you should contact your congressional rep and ask them why they haven't done that
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Old 09-04-2017, 12:27 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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"Today, many Californians feel ambivalent about illegal immigration. They’re under no delusions about how dependent they’ve become on a phenomenon they used to decry. They don’t really believe that the kid making lattes at Starbucks, the one with all the body piercings, is going to rush out and pick plums in 100-degree heat. And, on the home front, they’ve probably figured out that—when they come home after dark, and the lawn is perfectly manicured—it’s not the work of elves."

Careful What You Wish For: Here’s What California Would Look Like Without Illegal Immigrants:
Careful What You Wish For: Here
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