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If the links and source material are flawed, the accusations are also. You guys will never get it. You convincing yourselves of the same nonsense you listen to. It's a classic example of a "self-fulfilling prophesy". You're stuck on a carousel of absurdity, and refuse to get off.
If the links and source material are flawed, the accusations are also. You guys will never get it. You convincing yourselves of the same nonsense you listen to. It's a classic example of a "self-fulfilling prophesy". You're stuck on a carousel of absurdity, and refuse to get off.
You were given links to back up the facts. Let's see your links that show otherwise.
Yet here is another link. It's from the DOJ. Do you consider the DOJ to be a "flawed" source?
Oldgory - Where's all your proof that illegal aliens are responsible for huge amounts of crime? You can't do it, can you? You're just repeating - as lip service - what the head puppets these days are saying and pushing for. I'm not buying that nonsense about crime for one second. The robbers and criminals we deal with most often are US citizens. Again, this whole anti-Hispanic wave goes back to racism and color of skin. It's just more of the same, but attacking another race for a change (taking a break from attacking blacks now obviously). When Washington indicates time to go after the blacks again, you'll probably be there to march in formation accordingly.
First off, you've got me confused with another poster. I'm not the one who quoted crime stats for illegal aliens. However, many do commit crimes such as felony ID theft. We can't deport citizen criminals but we certainly can deter and deport illegal aliens.
Anti-Hispanic? What are you talking about? We only oppose those here illegally and any other illegal aliens here. That's not racism nor opposition to one's skin color. May I suggest you get that chip off your shoulder?
If illegal immigration is so "bad", why do so many US employers smuggle them into the country to work for them? The law of supply and demand is the biggest reason for them coming. Blame US companies for creating the problem.
Of course people are going to keep coming when one gets a job, tells their friends and family, another does the same, and the cycle repeats over and over. Open your eyes the roots of the issue, not just visible stuff in front of your beady eyes.
Case in point: these people in Wyoming. They were brought in by employers. They didn't walk across thousands of miles of land, out in the open, to get there. Hello? Are you even awake?
I partially agree with you. Too many greedy employers are definitely a huge problem. We won’t solve the whole problem until we put a stop to this part of it. Another problem is the government looking the other way instead of doing something about the problem. People taking advantage of these problems is also a problem, but it is understandable that they would do so. However, those who did should be deported when caught.
People will continue to cross the border illegally. Do people even know the conditions some of those people have to live in?
I doubt this trend is going to change. Maybe by getting rid of millions of illegals who have settled and have a stable job with benefits and replacing them with newly arriving illegals, I could imagine business people have to come up with creative ways to squeeze every little bit of profit into their pockets.
People will continue to cross the border illegally. Do people even know the conditions some of those people have to live in?
I doubt this trend is going to change. Maybe by getting rid of millions of illegals who have settled and have a stable job with benefits and replacing them with newly arriving illegals, I could imagine business people have to come up with creative ways to squeeze every little bit of profit into their pockets.
It will change if e-verify is mandated, we build the wall, fine and jail those who hire illegal aliens, deny their kids our birthright citizenship and any benefits in this country. I couldn't care less what conditions they live in. They need to change their own countries not invade ours and take from our citizens.
Oldgory - Where's all your proof that illegal aliens are responsible for huge amounts of crime? You can't do it, can you? You're just repeating - as lip service - what the head puppets these days are saying and pushing for. I'm not buying that nonsense about crime for one second. The robbers and criminals we deal with most often are US citizens. Again, this whole anti-Hispanic wave goes back to racism and color of skin. It's just more of the same, but attacking another race for a change (taking a break from attacking blacks now obviously). When Washington indicates time to go after the blacks again, you'll probably be there to march in formation accordingly.
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Originally Posted by Thoreau424
If the links and source material are flawed, the accusations are also. You guys will never get it. You convincing yourselves of the same nonsense you listen to. It's a classic example of a "self-fulfilling prophesy". You're stuck on a carousel of absurdity, and refuse to get off.
If illegal immigration is so "bad", why do so many US employers smuggle them into the country to work for them? The law of supply and demand is the biggest reason for them coming. Blame US companies for creating the problem.
Of course people are going to keep coming when one gets a job, tells their friends and family, another does the same, and the cycle repeats over and over. Open your eyes the roots of the issue, not just visible stuff in front of your beady eyes.
Case in point: these people in Wyoming. They were brought in by employers. They didn't walk across thousands of miles of land, out in the open, to get there. Hello? Are you even awake?
You of course have proof that the employers in Wyoming smuggled them here. Sent trucks to fetch them. Paid the Mexican police to ignore the trucks. etc. You have proof that these illegals didn't pay to be smuggled here on their own right?
No most illegals got here by their own means. They either over stay a work or student VISA, or in the case of Mexicans, they simply cross the border.
I agree with you on 1 point. The greedy employers need to be hammered. Massive fines compounded by each illegal hired. Prison time for business owners, HR managers and foremen.
WE need to make E-Verify the law of the land required by all employers, Landlords, banks, government offices and I would not be opposed to schools and hospitals.
Oldgory - Where's all your proof that illegal aliens are responsible for huge amounts of crime? You can't do it, can you? You're just repeating - as lip service - what the head puppets these days are saying and pushing for. I'm not buying that nonsense about crime for one second. The robbers and criminals we deal with most often are US citizens. Again, this whole anti-Hispanic wave goes back to racism and color of skin. It's just more of the same, but attacking another race for a change (taking a break from attacking blacks now obviously). When Washington indicates time to go after the blacks again, you'll probably be there to march in formation accordingly.
This IS NOT about anti-Hispanic this is about the LAW and the fact is that the majority of illegal aliens are Hispanic, and if they were coming in herds and it were Europeans, we wouldn't be talking about people from Mexico, El Salvador, etc.
Washington indicating it is time to go after blacks again? What on earth are you talking about?
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No, just hunt them down and kick them out. Is there something wrong with that?
Per the law, so nothing wrong with that. Not sure why someone would think we needed to wall off each state though, just a good secure southern border would do the job for the most part, and those that did get in would be easy to dispatch.
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Originally Posted by thelogo
People will continue to cross the border illegally. Do people even know the conditions some of those people have to live in?
I doubt this trend is going to change. Maybe by getting rid of millions of illegals who have settled and have a stable job with benefits and replacing them with newly arriving illegals, I could imagine business people have to come up with creative ways to squeeze every little bit of profit into their pockets.
Once the border is secured, very few will come in. Many depend on fraudulent IDs and anchor babies to get them by. They are constant drain on Medicaid which covers those anchor births. A few businesses will suffer until they realize what it takes to follow the law, but it will be a plus for those that now follow the law to eliminate the illegal competition.
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
It will change if e-verify is mandated, we build the wall, fine and jail those who hire illegal aliens, deny their kids our birthright citizenship and any benefits in this country. I couldn't care less what conditions they live in. They need to change their own countries not invade ours and take from our citizens.
And, they bring their 3rd world values and living standards here, they don't escape them, just dump them on our front step to deal with. These people most likely couldn't make a go of it in their country for a reason. Many of them are criminals that fled their country and are now being sent back, and these people have committed very serious crimes and are just out walking around our country free as a bird!
All of those that follow this area of C-D have seen all the crimes. I have no intention of listing the links, especially when someone is so ignorant that they cannot see the real issue and try to make it about "race" or "skin color" like unless someone is "white", they should be allowed to break the rules/laws of our country. So, I guess those that claim "race" or "skin color" is the reason people cannot follow the laws is the one who is indeed, a "racist".
Doesn't matter how much they whine now, apprehensions are going on every single day. Most we will never hear of. I think the Democratic Party has moved on to gender issues and have decided that now that the facts have come out on illegal aliens that they can no longer support them.
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