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As a Trump supporter, lifelong Republican and the native born son of LEGAL immigrants of a color, I completely dislike the idea of any amnesty for any illegal alien, though I understand if Trump has to make some compromises against the treasonous demands of the liberal Democrat left.
I fear though that it will not end with even full citizenship for the foreign nationals whom Obama rewarded with DACA as part of his far left presidency. The way chain migration allows an entire wave to come here following one person in the lottery, the same effect may happen with DACA. once these DACA Dreamers are given citizenship, the left will then argue that their families shouldn't be separated, that the parents who illegally brought them here (the ones who put their kids in this sitaution, not the American people), should also be allowed to stay. Each new DACA citizen will also be able to get citizenship for more illegal family members and so on and so forth.
If there is amnestion, the DACA recipients should not become citizens, they shouldn't have the right to vote and they shouldn't ever be eligible for any government benefits or welfare handouts including Section 8 housing, food stamps, Medicaid, Medicare, or FEMA aid in the event of a disaster.
I also may be okay with DACA if in this agreement, the illegal parents of these Dreamers present themselves for deportation. If kids shouldn't be punished for the crimes of their parents, should the parents be punished for their own crimes?
As a Trump supporter, lifelong Republican and the native born son of LEGAL immigrants of a color, I completely dislike the idea of any amnesty for any illegal alien, though I understand if Trump has to make some compromises against the treasonous demands of the liberal Democrat left.
I fear though that it will not end with even full citizenship for the foreign nationals whom Obama rewarded with DACA as part of his far left presidency. The way chain migration allows an entire wave to come here following one person in the lottery, the same effect may happen with DACA. once these DACA Dreamers are given citizenship, the left will then argue that their families shouldn't be separated, that the parents who illegally brought them here (the ones who put their kids in this sitaution, not the American people), should also be allowed to stay. Each new DACA citizen will also be able to get citizenship for more illegal family members and so on and so forth.
If there is amnestion, the DACA recipients should not become citizens, they shouldn't have the right to vote and they shouldn't ever be eligible for any government benefits or welfare handouts including Section 8 housing, food stamps, Medicaid, Medicare, or FEMA aid in the event of a disaster.
I have expressed the same concerns in here. The DACAs are already demanding that their law breaking parents get to remain here also and that would be the next battle in congress. Even if the DACAs aren't given citizenship their kids will be deemed citizens simply by being born on our soil and they are all of the child bearing age. That's why I don't even want legalization for the DACAs they need to go back to their homelands along with their parents and apply to come back legally while waiting their turn in line.
As a Trump supporter, lifelong Republican and the native born son of LEGAL immigrants of a color, I completely dislike the idea of any amnesty for any illegal alien, though I understand if Trump has to make some compromises against the treasonous demands of the liberal Democrat left.
I fear though that it will not end with even full citizenship for the foreign nationals whom Obama rewarded with DACA as part of his far left presidency. The way chain migration allows an entire wave to come here following one person in the lottery, the same effect may happen with DACA. once these DACA Dreamers are given citizenship, the left will then argue that their families shouldn't be separated, that the parents who illegally brought them here (the ones who put their kids in this sitaution, not the American people), should also be allowed to stay. Each new DACA citizen will also be able to get citizenship for more illegal family members and so on and so forth.
If there is amnestion, the DACA recipients should not become citizens, they shouldn't have the right to vote and they shouldn't ever be eligible for any government benefits or welfare handouts including Section 8 housing, food stamps, Medicaid, Medicare, or FEMA aid in the event of a disaster.
First of all chain migration absolutely positive does not allow an entire wave to come here following one person in the lottery.
WRONG.
And your conclusion that the same effect MAY happen -- isn't enough to shut down DACA.
It doesn't work that way.
Family Reunification is the real name of the program not chain migration. A legal resident of the USA can apply for parents or siblings to get temporary status in the USA. Immigration has to review the application. They can deny whoever they want at any time -- there is no direct path -- automatic entrance -- no collect your status and go card. It doesn't happen that way.
For that matter -- any time you enter the country, even with legal status, Immigration can deny you entry -- they have that authority at the border. Sure if it turns out there is no real good reason or legal binding reason to deny entry they have to let you in -- but in the moment you are at the border green card or not -- even with an American passport -- the agent at the border has the absolute power to deny entry.
All that has to happen is that immigration has to follow the procedures in place, review the application for criteria set by the govt....jobs, financial solvency, etc....and of course no crminal record or ties to gangs or terrorists.
That all can be implemented and we have the tools to do it.
This is one of the reasons I oppose legalizing those who fall under DACA. I watch Washington Journal on C-cpan and a couple weeks ago one of their hosts, Greta Brawner, read a piece from one of the newspapers she had in front of her. The article detailed how many 'Dreamers' and their family members would be allowed to stay. Dreamers themselves totalled over 3 million (believe it was 3.8 million), the parents and other family members would put the total to around 9-10 million if not more. For the Democrats to get on board with any legislation they are going to insist on not breaking up families before they'll vote for it.
Another thing that concerns me is the number of people who will fraudulently claim Dreamer status. Many didn't sign up for it when Obama created his illegal executive order, but will once there's a bill that gets signed into law. Our government has refused to go after illegals working here illegally, yet we are supposed to believe they'll give a darn about the ones who will claim Dreamer status fraudulently?
Not to mention, by the time everything is in place, and we have enough judges in place to start processing cases to deport illegals, Democrats will likely control either the Senate or House, and possibly the White House, If and when they do regain full control we know they'll just grant amnesty to all illegals, and make them citizens with voting rights immediately. Some states that are giving illegals driver's licenses have said they'll allow them to vote. At least in one state anyway, probably California. As if it isn't bad enough they are counted when determining how many electoral votes each state gets, which is absolutely absurd and should be corrected. It could very well swing the next presidential election benefitting the Democrats.
Obama has played Republicans who can't get out of their own way, including the president. His executive order was illegal, but what he did was classify a group of illegals as those we should care the most about because they want us to believe they were all innocent little babies when they were brought here. Republicans have allowed the label to stick, rather than classifying all illegals as a group, as it should be. We have to ask ourselves why, especially those who vote Republican most of the time. Big business wants the cheapest labor, and the biggest pool to chose from as possible. Big business also gives a lot of money in campaign donations, something Senators spend 35 hours/week, according to 60 Minutes, making phone calls to solicit.
Lyin' Don will give many of them a pathway to citizenship, something he promised not to do during the campaign.
DACA. These people should be given a special Visa that gives them a time frame to get a green card say either 5 or 10 years. After they get the green card they can then pay their fees and become a full citizen if they want.
Their parents are a different story though since they are in the country illegally. If any of these darling DACA "kids" are currently in prison on a felony charge then when they get out they get shipped out.
My wife is a legal immigrant that followed the rules so it is hard for me to be soft on illegal immigrants that skipped the lines and the ridiculous Dems that want to reward them for their law breaking ways should be sent packing as well.
First of all chain migration absolutely positive does not allow an entire wave to come here following one person in the lottery.
WRONG.
Speaking of wrong, you are as consistently mistaken as anybody I've seen post here. It takes a while, but entire villages worth of people have indeed followed after one immigrant using the family unification system. That's what chain migration is.
The key word in the OP's title is "fear". The entire neo-fascist movement is based on fear, and it works - because fear is a powerful motivator. It makes people do irrational things and jump to irrational conclusions; fear of immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of "liberals", fear of the Jews, fear of science, and on and on. They have used this method forever to rile the proles, they are not going to stop anytime soon.
Speaking of wrong, you are as consistently mistaken as anybody I've seen post here. It takes a while, but entire villages worth of people have indeed followed after one immigrant using the family unification system. That's what chain migration is.
The entire village is siblings and parents to the one person? I’m not sure I believe that claim without evidence.
If someone comes to the US and becomes a US citizen they can then sponsor children, spouse, siblings, and parents. The process from the start of that immigration to citizenship takes about 5-10 years depending on a few things, different relations get priority and only a certain amount of these visas are given each year. The costs is roughly $3000 per person not including legal fees which can easily double the cost.
Another thing to remember, when sponsoring a family member one has to show the ability to financially support them. In 2016 it would roughly $30,000 in income per sponsorship. If one wanted to sponsor 2 parents and 2 siblings, the single sponsors income would have to be roughly $120,000.
A friend of mine got married to a foreign student in college and he got rejected when applying for her green card because he had little income.
First of all chain migration absolutely positive does not allow an entire wave to come here following one person in the lottery.
WRONG.
And your conclusion that the same effect MAY happen -- isn't enough to shut down DACA.
It doesn't work that way.
Family Reunification is the real name of the program not chain migration. A legal resident of the USA can apply for parents or siblings to get temporary status in the USA. Immigration has to review the application. They can deny whoever they want at any time -- there is no direct path -- automatic entrance -- no collect your status and go card. It doesn't happen that way.
For that matter -- any time you enter the country, even with legal status, Immigration can deny you entry -- they have that authority at the border. Sure if it turns out there is no real good reason or legal binding reason to deny entry they have to let you in -- but in the moment you are at the border green card or not -- even with an American passport -- the agent at the border has the absolute power to deny entry.
All that has to happen is that immigration has to follow the procedures in place, review the application for criteria set by the govt....jobs, financial solvency, etc....and of course no crminal record or ties to gangs or terrorists.
That all can be implemented and we have the tools to do it.
I think DACAs who are here illegally SHOULD be given a pathway to citizenship. That seems right. BUT NO FAMILIES AT ALL. No sponsoring, no linking, no chaining, no expansion. You GOT the benefit, you GOT the citizenship, you can start your life. But you do it ALONE. Don't try to bring anyone else here. If you want to see your family, get on a plane. If your family wants to come here, apply for citizenship. NO SPONSORING AT ALL.
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