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Oh I see. These gang members were legally here with visas, probably students and technical workers like programmers before they got jumped in.
That's odd, my wife who is a crime analyst says most of them give an alias in the hopes they can make bail before they are found to be here illegally and deported if they have a rap sheet. If they say they are an American then they too have to provide some sort of identification.
I may be guilty of splitting hairs or playing devil's advocate but the article specifically said that only several of the dozens were here illegally. Also most criminals, illegal or not, will usually shoot an alias when they are arrested. However, this will only be effective at hiding their real identity if it's their first arrest because once a repeat offender's fingerprints are entered into a database everything pops up, illegal or not. I know here in New Jersey deportation proceedings will only be initiated for a "serious" felony. Illegal immigrants will be released after serving time for misdemeanors such as drunk driving, petty theft, domestic violence, or drug possesion.
Crips, Bloods, 18th Street, Surenos, etc have been around for decades in the United States. Can you say the same about in Mexico and Central America?
Mexico and Central America is where they are from.
No American gang would call themselves "sureños", (nor norteños, el sur, el norte, dieciocho, words that mean nothing to most American and certainly meant even less to Americans 20-30 years ago).
As far as gang violence in Mexico - have you been to Ciudad Juarez lately?
Mexico and Central America is where they are from.
No American gang would call themselves "sureños", (nor norteños, el sur, el norte, dieciocho, words that mean nothing to most American and certainly meant even less to Americans 20-30 years ago).
As far as gang violence in Mexico - have you been to Ciudad Juarez lately?
surenos-named for their location in southern California
nortenos-named for their location in northern California
dieciocho-named after 18th St. in Los Angeles
These gangs were started by people born in the USA
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Mexico and Central America is where they are from.
No American gang would call themselves "sureños", (nor norteños, el sur, el norte, dieciocho, words that mean nothing to most American and certainly meant even less to Americans 20-30 years ago).
As far as gang violence in Mexico - have you been to Ciudad Juarez lately?
I may be guilty of splitting hairs or playing devil's advocate but the article specifically said that only several of the dozens were here illegally. Also most criminals, illegal or not, will usually shoot an alias when they are arrested. However, this will only be effective at hiding their real identity if it's their first arrest because once a repeat offender's fingerprints are entered into a database everything pops up, illegal or not. I know here in New Jersey deportation proceedings will only be initiated for a "serious" felony. Illegal immigrants will be released after serving time for misdemeanors such as drunk driving, petty theft, domestic violence, or drug possesion.
No worries, hair splitting is fine. Personally I wish ALL of them busted were deportable. It sucks that any willl be allowed to stay because they are Americans. Of course were it not for the 14th I'm sure that number would have been close to "all" gang members being deportable in that sweep.
No worries, hair splitting is fine. Personally I wish ALL of them busted were deportable. It sucks that any willl be allowed to stay because they are Americans. Of course were it not for the 14th I'm sure that number would have been close to "all" gang members being deportable in that sweep.
You might be right about your statement concerning the 14th ammendment, however, I do not think any of us will see that ammendment changed in our lifetime. Changing the constitution is a long drawn out process. And even if it was changed it would address one issue but it could have unforseen negative consequences for many law abiding people.
You might be right about your statement concerning the 14th ammendment, however, I do not think any of us will see that ammendment changed in our lifetime. Changing the constitution is a long drawn out process. And even if it was changed it would address one issue but it could have unforseen negative consequences for many law abiding people.
I knew you were going to ask that the second I typed it, LOL! Well one example is explained by yours truly in the thread "California closer to ending anchor baby births...." Go check that out and in the mean time I'll put on my bullet proof vest because I am sure you have a strong opinion about that my friend!!
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I knew you were going to ask that the second I typed it, LOL! Well one example is explained by yours truly in the thread "California closer to ending anchor baby births...." Go check that out and in the mean time I'll put on my bullet proof vest because I am sure you have a strong opinion about that my friend!!
If you are discussing illegal aliens as your putative 'law abiding people'..........I see no negative consquences whatsoever.
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