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Old 04-23-2010, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Originally Posted by Holdencaulfield View Post
Running away from the police is reasonable clause, you get no argument from me. Good example. Besides that, I see no other examples of reasonable clause regarding violating immigration laws. If you can think of I'm all ears.
Do they have a DL? Do they have registration for their auto? Do they have proof of insurance?

BTW, according to Who?Me you just misspelled the same word twice and if I didn't manage to read what you meant I wouldn't have understood you. The word was clause where you meant cause. I mention this only because Who?Me hit at a poster who didn't seem to post well enough for him/her. If a lib pulls something like that I feel that any lib that makes a similar error, even typo, it needs to be commented on.

Now, let me say that I will not hit at you again. As log as I can make it out I won't say anything and I surely could this time.

 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:37 PM
 
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What I don't get is that if this law is so "bad", certainly one could point to the specifics of the law and make their case. None here are doing that, which leads me to believe they are talking our of their arse. Something that is all too common these days.
I just gave you some examples and you failed to respond. You obviously are not familiar with the law.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:38 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Holdencaulfield View Post
16 pages of responses and I've only heard one example in which cops can use as probable cause for questioning someone's immigration status, running away or fleeing the police. Short of doing that, any search is unconstitional. If you can think of another example, I'll acknowledge it, just as I acknowledged the other example given.
Point out the law specifically, show its portion of violation and give an example of abuse. Otherwise, shut up.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:38 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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Originally Posted by Jaggy001 View Post
So does that mean we now have to carry passport, birth certificate or certificate of naturalization at all times just in case an officer asks for proof?

Or, does the fact that I am a middle class, middle aged, white caucasian mean that I am exempt from getting stopped?

Nb. I live in Arizona.

Yet some have no problem having government being heavy handed in demanding proof from citizens of having health insurance.

Is there a difference from a police officer and a IRS officer shaking you down?

I don't support this Arizona law, but just sayin'..............
 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:39 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Holdencaulfield View Post
I just gave you some examples and you failed to respond. You obviously are not familiar with the law.
You didn't point out the specifics of the law. Shut up until you do.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:39 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Holdencaulfield View Post
Running away from the police is reasonable clause, you get no argument from me. Good example. Besides that, I see no other examples of reasonable clause regarding violating immigration laws. If you can think of I'm all ears.
I don't know enough about the behavior patterns of people here illegally to give another. People that work in that field may have some training on things to look for that might be reasonable, but I certainly don't know.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:40 PM
 
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Originally Posted by roysoldboy View Post
Do they have a DL? Do they have registration for their auto? Do they have proof of insurance?

BTW, according to Who?Me you just misspelled the same word twice and if I didn't manage to read what you meant I wouldn't have understood you. The word was clause where you meant cause. I mention this only because Who?Me hit at a poster who didn't seem to post well enough for him/her. If a lib pulls something like that I feel that any lib that makes a similar error, even typo, it needs to be commented on.

Now, let me say that I will not hit at you again. As log as I can make it out I won't say anything and I surely could this time.
He MEANT probable claws!
 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:42 PM
 
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Originally Posted by roysoldboy View Post
Do they have a DL? Do they have registration for their auto? Do they have proof of insurance?

BTW, according to Who?Me you just misspelled the same word twice and if I didn't manage to read what you meant I wouldn't have understood you. The word was clause where you meant cause. I mention this only because Who?Me hit at a poster who didn't seem to post well enough for him/her. If a lib pulls something like that I feel that any lib that makes a similar error, even typo, it needs to be commented on.

Now, let me say that I will not hit at you again. As log as I can make it out I won't say anything and I surely could this time.
Got a log in your eye?

http://bible.cc/matthew/7-5.htm
 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:42 PM
 
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I don't know enough about the behavior patterns of people here illegally to give another. People that work in that field may have some training on things to look for that might be reasonable, but I certainly don't know.
Most police officers are not properly trained in illegal immigration laws. That is best left to customs and border patrol agents.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 02:44 PM
 
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You didn't point out the specifics of the law. Shut up until you do.
First of all, calm down, no need to become hysterical and abusive. Secondly, I posted the specifics of the law and another member posted a link, what more do you want. If you don't bother reading it the first time I'm not going to repeat myself.
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