What do you think about Right to Work? (health insurance, bankrupt)

[grmasterb]

Originally Posted by Broadrippleguy

they aren't much different i know that.
But atleast the Republicans in Washington D.C are trying to cut spending now instead of this policy of kick the can down the road for our grandchildren....

Every American has to live within their means why can't Washington D.C?

Wow, you really are very young, or you were totally asleep/willfully blind during the time period January 2001-January 2009, to believe that nonsense.

As for the your last sentence, a good number of Americans are in debt up to their eyeballs. So, no, most Americans aren't living within their means. The people are reflective of the government they put in place, or vice-versa. You pick.

[fallingwater]

Union jobs have been on a steady decline for years. So has the middle class. It amazes me that many don't seem to connect the dots. With only 10% of Hoosiers belonging to a union, this decline should have increased jobs if the argument is that unions are keeping businesses away. Union members are not disillusioned on what unions do for them, who is disillusioned are those that do not belong to unions. If one feels so strongly about not joining a union, then don't. There sure are plenty of employers out there that are not part of one. Crushing unions has nothing to do with economy. It has to do with politics and greed. Businesses don't want to establish themselves in the U.S. unless they get backing that people should take what is offered, end of story. If americans don't like it, well more money can be had in other countries where there are not as much restrictions on the welfare of workers. Ask Newt, school children can clean the school after the class. Who needs those high paid janitors. Unions are not killing this country people, greed is.

[AnywhereElse]

Originally Posted by grmasterb

I'm not a union guy at all, but I see this issue as a bit of a red herring. If you look at many of the states with right-to-work laws, are they really better off? Yes, maybe job growth has been better and there's population growth, but the wages are also significantly lower. And, if you consider the types of industries that have migrated to right-to-work states (largely low-skill manufacturing businesses), then I think a lot of the southern states that have seen an influx of these businesses have yet to realize that they're probably nothing more than a stopping off point on the way to Mexico.

In short, a right-to-work law will not significantly improve the lot of Hoosiers. Creating a healthier, more educated and innovative workforce will.

I originally from the Michiana area and came in to see how you all were doing. Funny, I am in Kansas and it is a right to work state. Right to work for low wages and limited benefits with most people getting public assistance of some kind in order to survive even though they are working. It is the worst that I have ever seen here in the SE KS corner where we are currently. The only businesses they can recruit are the ones that are looking to pay the low wage. Taxes are high and we have little to show for those dollars. The Economic Development group for the area just spent $80,000 toward 2 years of rent to keep social services in our county with about 14,000 people and 30 social service workers because the state was going to close the office for cost savings. My dad worked at a factory in Michigan and had a union and if you ever wondered why they need(ed) unions, come on down and I'll show you around! We just lost Boeing out of Wichita and eliminated over 2,000 jobs. So, you want to steal our $8.00 to $10.00 an hour factory jobs with limited benefits? And, you never know when you are going to laid off or work 50 or more hours a week without a choice. I wish I had an answer!

[Broadrippleguy]

Originally Posted by fallingwater

Union jobs have been on a steady decline for years. So has the middle class. It amazes me that many don't seem to connect the dots. With only 10% of Hoosiers belonging to a union, this decline should have increased jobs if the argument is that unions are keeping businesses away. Union members are not disillusioned on what unions do for them, who is disillusioned are those that do not belong to unions. If one feels so strongly about not joining a union, then don't. There sure are plenty of employers out there that are not part of one. Crushing unions has nothing to do with economy. It has to do with politics and greed. Businesses don't want to establish themselves in the U.S. unless they get backing that people should take what is offered, end of story. If americans don't like it, well more money can be had in other countries where there are not as much restrictions on the welfare of workers. Ask Newt, school children can clean the school after the class. Who needs those high paid janitors. Unions are not killing this country people, greed is.

Unions are Greedy and heck to save myself grief ill give you a good example.
The GM Stamping plant in Downtown Indy that closed last year UAW voted not to be sold to an Illinois company to stay in business and instead everyone lost their jobs. They were going to get paid 25$ an hour instead of 50$ an hour but hey ALOT of americans would love to have 25$ an hour jobs thats actually better than the national average.
Thats not Unions protecting the employees thats just Greed.
Unions are Greedy Businesses within a Business.

[zthatzmanz28]

Originally Posted by Broadrippleguy

The State?
Right to Work isn't about state employers its about private employers.

It's about UNIONs....or actually ANTI-UNION...and state employees can be unionized--but not here..

Without a union, employees are at the beckon-call of their employers and get what ever they feel like giving or TAKING away..

[grmasterb]

Originally Posted by Broadrippleguy

Unions are Greedy and heck to save myself grief ill give you a good example.
The GM Stamping plant in Downtown Indy that closed last year UAW voted not to be sold to an Illinois company to stay in business and instead everyone lost their jobs. They were going to get paid 25$ an hour instead of 50$ an hour but hey ALOT of americans would love to have 25$ an hour jobs thats actually better than the national average.
Thats not Unions protecting the employees thats just Greed.
Unions are Greedy Businesses within a Business.

Fair enough. But are you saying only unions are greedy?

[fallingwater]

Originally Posted by Broadrippleguy

Unions are Greedy and heck to save myself grief ill give you a good example.
The GM Stamping plant in Downtown Indy that closed last year UAW voted not to be sold to an Illinois company to stay in business and instead everyone lost their jobs. They were going to get paid 25$ an hour instead of 50$ an hour but hey ALOT of americans would love to have 25$ an hour jobs thats actually better than the national average.
Thats not Unions protecting the employees thats just Greed.
Unions are Greedy Businesses within a Business.

50 dollars an hour. Really. And...where exactly did you get your information from? Fox news? The wage cut was from $29 to $14.65. Not $50 to $25.

[domergurl]

Originally Posted by Broadrippleguy

they aren't much different i know that.
But atleast the Republicans in Washington D.C are trying to cut spending now instead of this policy of kick the can down the road for our grandchildren.
In all honesty theres 3 different levels that could be debated.
Local/State/Federal.
I am more worried about the federal government cause as i said our country is at a crossroads. We can fix America now or well end up like the Roman Empire shortly.
I love America and its sad to see America repeating the same historical mistakes that have downed once great nations.
The Spending us into debt oblivion though needs to stop.
Also currently on the trading day the Euro is at its weakest point against the Dollar since September 2010. Lowest against the yen in 11 years because Europe thinks its ok to just rack up debt. Watch the Eurozone over this year that is a warning sign for America what will happen if the over spending doesn't stop and we spend what we take in. Every American has to live within their means why can't Washington D.C?

who was holding the payroll tax cut hostage in DC?

[Mclaurin]

Right to work is a euphemism for no wage protection.

If that's a "right" to you, go for it. Compare the standard of living in the states who have and don't have it. Those with it....are states with have and have not populations. Lots of poverty. Makes no sense to live in a place like that to me.

I also take my business to companies who pay their employees well. Done. Not everyone can do that, but I can do with less to do so.

[grmasterb]

Originally Posted by domergurl

who was holding the payroll tax cut hostage in DC?

You mean that payroll tax extension that lasts two months??