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Old 12-28-2015, 04:02 AM
 
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So now we are upping it to 15-18% risk free returns? I see it's make it up as you go time. If your inflation cost are under control, well that's a guess isn't it? Risk free returns don't approach double digits just for the hell of it
you got to love the amateur economist wanna bee's . they have all the answers to solve the issues facing the world , yet here they are ,posting on an internet forum . . lets not forget they have the ability to foresee the future correctly too .
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Old 12-28-2015, 06:42 AM
 
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deflation is already here. where oil was a year and a half versus now? Thats a crash, the fed tightening is going to continue this crash. $DXY headed to 110.
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Old 12-29-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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The FED needs to continue raising interest rates and deflate the greatest debt bubble in the history of the world. This perversion of CAPITALISM needs to end. The FED has financed the so-called "RECOVERY" by stealing money from the future to cushion today, given essentially our unborn grandchildren's tax money to the richest people in the world (America and foreign rich) -- essentially free money, ZIRP money -- telling them to keep spending.

Deflation started in 2001. The FED saw it as necessary to resist this cycle; so they stole money from the future to throw into the black hole of deflation. It has been a synthetic "RECOVERY", faked through monetary policy.

We think we can outsmart Nature. We cannot. Today we have MORE debt than in 2001, the end of the Business Cycle, and even more than 2008, the first crisis in this Deflation. We have defied God's law, or Nature. We still have to pay for this defiance of God's laws.

The only way out of this mess that we have created for ourselfs is debt default, bankruptcies, and bank deconstruction. This is where we are headed, inevitably.

God Bless the Strong US Dollar that will eventually end this madness!!!
Rinse and repeat. Is this a great country or what?
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Old 12-29-2015, 04:03 PM
 
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The FED needs to continue raising interest rates and deflate the greatest debt bubble in the history of the world. This perversion of CAPITALISM needs to end. The FED has financed the so-called "RECOVERY" by stealing money from the future to cushion today, given essentially our unborn grandchildren's tax money to the richest people in the world (America and foreign rich) -- essentially free money, ZIRP money -- telling them to keep spending.

Deflation started in 2001. The FED saw it as necessary to resist this cycle; so they stole money from the future to throw into the black hole of deflation. It has been a synthetic "RECOVERY", faked through monetary policy.

We think we can outsmart Nature. We cannot. Today we have MORE debt than in 2001, the end of the Business Cycle, and even more than 2008, the first crisis in this Deflation. We have defied God's law, or Nature. We still have to pay for this defiance of God's laws.

The only way out of this mess that we have created for ourselfs is debt default, bankruptcies, and bank deconstruction. This is where we are headed, inevitably.

God Bless the Strong US Dollar that will eventually end this madness!!!
This is why religion and economics do not mix. Never confuse one with the other.
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Old 12-29-2015, 08:29 PM
 
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This is why religion and economics do not mix. Never confuse one with the other.
We think we know better. We don't. Instead of trying to hold on to a dying world, we should be following God's or Nature's laws and destroying bad debt with higher interest rates. We know better. We want to 'avoid pain' we want to keep what we gained in the last expansion cycle that ended in 2001.

Instead of facing the Losing Cycle (DEFLATION) 'like men' with courage and faith, we stole money from our grandchildren's future. And our debts continued to grow. Meaning horrible pain will lie ahead, including very likely World War III.
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Old 12-31-2015, 11:12 AM
 
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We think we know better. We don't. Instead of trying to hold on to a dying world, we should be following God's or Nature's laws and destroying bad debt with higher interest rates. We know better. We want to 'avoid pain' we want to keep what we gained in the last expansion cycle that ended in 2001.

Instead of facing the Losing Cycle (DEFLATION) 'like men' with courage and faith, we stole money from our grandchildren's future. And our debts continued to grow. Meaning horrible pain will lie ahead, including very likely World War III.
Utter nonsense. There is no "god's or nature's law" in economics that would dictate any of your suggestions. And from a logical perspective it makes no sense whatsoever. In an aging and hardly growing work force you need low interest rates. They are THE natural outcome as more people deleverage and pay back debt than young people leverage up and take on debt. Once the baby boomer retirement wave ends around 2025 you will see the opposite trend of rising interest rates again. There is a real cause and effect relationship for you, which makes sense and is backed up by numbers. Compare the 1970s with very high IR and the labor force was growing by 3% p.a. Ever since then that growths has been slowing and around 2010 the labor force actually briefly shrunk. See also Japan which encountered real deflation and real shrinking in the labor force. I realize though if you accept this logic it will destroy your "god's and nature's law" ideology. You have to make a decision if you want to follow one or the other.
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Old 12-31-2015, 11:17 AM
 
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I also understand that I without a mortgage and risk free returns of 15%-18% sounds pretty good.
What gets you 15%-18% in risk free returns? I want that...
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Old 12-31-2015, 11:59 AM
 
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Utter nonsense. There is no "god's or nature's law" in economics that would dictate any of your suggestions. And from a logical perspective it makes no sense whatsoever. In an aging and hardly growing work force you need low interest rates. They are THE natural outcome as more people deleverage and pay back debt than young people leverage up and take on debt. Once the baby boomer retirement wave ends around 2025 you will see the opposite trend of rising interest rates again. There is a real cause and effect relationship for you, which makes sense and is backed up by numbers. Compare the 1970s with very high IR and the labor force was growing by 3% p.a. Ever since then that growths has been slowing and around 2010 the labor force actually briefly shrunk. See also Japan which encountered real deflation and real shrinking in the labor force. I realize though if you accept this logic it will destroy your "god's and nature's law" ideology. You have to make a decision if you want to follow one or the other.
To everything there is a season, (learn from NATURE), growth followed by no growth. WE do not want low-interest rates when the Business Cycle ends. This leads only to cancerous asset bubble, fake growth. There is no perpetual growth. Sequential growth and rest, always. The FED wants to simulate perpetual growth. This is a flaw in thinking, this is INSANE.

We need to return to ZERO. Returning to Zero is a picture of the cyclical end of growth. Returning to zero means eliminate debt AND reward energy-saving. Higher interest rates does both of this, rewarding saving, punishing debt.

We need Deflation cycle as much as we need Inflation cycle. They both work together as a Day and Night, as a Women and Men. You can't have one without the other. If you choose to INFLATE, then be prepared to DEFLATE as well. Real Economic Growth can begin only after Deflation is allowed to do it's job .The main jobs of Deflation has not been done this time. We need to destroy debt, limiit new debt and destroy old debt -- which is accomplished by higher interest rates. The FED has taken on the job of protectng old debt and encouraging more debt. This is the opposite of what the cycle intends.

How can we inflate the global economy with more debt when we are debt-bloated with old, preserved debt -- ZIRP protects back debt, protects re-leveraging, ignores the need to deleverage.

Our first job is to let the strong Dollar deflate debt, as it is supposed to. God bless the strong Dollar!!!
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Old 01-15-2016, 05:56 PM
 
Location: NC
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You need to brush up on economics if you think we are in a recession lol

I standby my claim, did you see the data this morning... PPI, etc. Industrials are already in a recession. the rest of the economy will follow.
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