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Old 04-01-2016, 05:30 PM
 
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In my traditional IRA:

50% Vanguard Total Stock Market Index ETF
25% Vanguard Total Intl Stock Market Index ETF
25% Vanguard Total Bond Market Index ETF

In my employer's plan:

100% Vanguard Target Retirement 2030 Fund

In my Roth IRA:

100% Vanguard Target Retirement 2030 Fund
Like another poster said, this is a great plan. Essentially, it is the three fund portfolio as discussed on the Bogleheads forum.
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Old 04-01-2016, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I can only tell you what has worked for me. I was 100% in CDs when the 2008 crash hit. I'm content with 5-5 1/2% and I don't have the time to watch my portfolio or trade. When the CDs all rolled out in 2011, I took the plunge into the market. I bought individual dividend paying stocks like Altria, Verizon, Intel, GE, ATT, Pfizer and a few others. They average around a 5% dividend and since 2011 most have gone way up. I have them in 2 accounts. Rate of return since 2011 has been 9.6% in one and 16% in the other. I'm not sure what I would do today because my stocks look much pricier today, some have doubled. These stocks are called defensive stocks because they are low volatility and considered "safe" during downturns. Since Christmas when the market began to fall I'm up about 8%. My sister, on the other hand, is all in mutual funds and has been flat or down since then. I really don't know exactly what I'm doing, but it's working so far.
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Old 04-01-2016, 06:54 PM
 
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No stocks are safe in a down turn, are you kidding .

That dividend darling dvy got hammered in 2008 as dividends were cut and suspended. When the smoke cleared it fell more then the overall markets did.

Don't ever think any stocks are safe. The dividend aristocrates are rotated out very often because they are all subject to the same thing any other stocks are.
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Old 04-01-2016, 07:09 PM
 
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No stocks are safe in a down turn, are you kidding .

That dividend darling dvy got hammered in 2008 as dividends were cut and suspended. When the smoke cleared it fell more then the overall markets did.

Don't ever think any stocks are safe. The dividend aristocrates are rotated out very often because they are all subject to the same thing any other stocks are.
Intel, GE and AT&T are very safe.
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Old 04-01-2016, 07:13 PM
 
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Intel, GE and AT&T are very safe.
If by safe you mean they won't go to zero Enron-style then yeah probably right. But they are still subject to the same volatility of other stocks
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Old 04-01-2016, 07:15 PM
 
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I use just SSO (ultra long S&P) and SDS (ultra-short S&P).

The trend is your friend. I'm long now.
why dont you just be in cash...................hahahahaha.
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Old 04-01-2016, 09:08 PM
 
Location: NC
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Just for some fun lets look at some returns.

If you were ever so lucky to buy at the absolute bottom of the market in the 08-09 period:

Company - price / current price / 7 year time frame / ROI
AT&T - $25 / $39 / 56%
Intel - $13 / $32 / 146%
GE - $7 / $31 / 340%
VZ - $25 / $52 / 108%
DJIA - 6600 / 17800 / 170%

Doesn't include dividends but you get the picture. Picking individual stocks you take on a LOT of risk for, in MOST cases, just average to below average returns, unless you feel pretty solidly about them for some compelling reason.

I've made money on individual stocks in the past but I also completely admit I've taken on a lot of risk. Indexing is boring, but it works.
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Old 04-01-2016, 10:21 PM
 
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I can only tell you what has worked for me. I was 100% in CDs when the 2008 crash hit. I'm content with 5-5 1/2% and I don't have the time to watch my portfolio or trade. When the CDs all rolled out in 2011, I took the plunge into the market. I bought individual dividend paying stocks like Altria, Verizon, Intel, GE, ATT, Pfizer and a few others. They average around a 5% dividend and since 2011 most have gone way up. I have them in 2 accounts. Rate of return since 2011 has been 9.6% in one and 16% in the other. I'm not sure what I would do today because my stocks look much pricier today, some have doubled. These stocks are called defensive stocks because they are low volatility and considered "safe" during downturns. Since Christmas when the market began to fall I'm up about 8%. My sister, on the other hand, is all in mutual funds and has been flat or down since then. I really don't know exactly what I'm doing, but it's working so far.
There is no such thing as a safe stock during a crash... dividends can be cut, which can send the most seemingly stable stocks way down.

Altria went down roughly 41% during the crash

Verizon went down roughly 50% during the crash

Intel went down roughly 55% during the crash

General Electric went down roughly 86% during the crash

AT&T went down roughly 51% during the crash

Pfizer went down roughly 59% during the crash
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Old 04-02-2016, 02:00 AM
 
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Intel, GE and AT&T are very safe.
you have a lot to learn my friend about the word safe .
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Old 04-02-2016, 03:29 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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There is no such thing as a safe stock during a crash... dividends can be cut, which can send the most seemingly stable stocks way down.

Altria went down roughly 41% during the crash

Verizon went down roughly 50% during the crash

Intel went down roughly 55% during the crash

General Electric went down roughly 86% during the crash

AT&T went down roughly 51% during the crash

Pfizer went down roughly 59% during the crash

Well, I'm not expecting a crash on par with 2008, I don't think that the same forces are at work. As for Altria, my largest holding, it's gone up 134% since I bought it for 26. My VZ is up 50% and AT & T up 35%. That's stock price alone, not including the dividends I've been collecting for 5 years. I only have half my money in the market, so I'll be fine.
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