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Old 06-13-2017, 12:20 PM
 
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Did Bernie Madoff even "generate" 17% returns?
Well, it's not 17% every year of course. The one year before that, SPY was flat. Actually, slightly negative.
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:22 PM
 
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Well, it's not 17% every year. The one year before that, SPY was flat. Actually, slightly negative.
It's at 8.89% so far this year in returns, but there has also been a record $300B a month of liquidity injections by central banks.

So hey, maybe another record will be broken.
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:28 PM
 
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17% is so realistic. This certainly couldn't be a bubble. Not a chance.

The historical market risk premium is the difference between what an investor expects to make as a return on an equity portfolio and the risk-free rate of return. Over the last century, the historical market risk premium has averaged between 3.5% and 5.5%.

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Did Bernie Madoff even "generate" 17% returns?
Bernie didn't generate any returns so it's kind of odd to bring him up unless sensationalism is just your thing. I'm pretty sure no one here is projected a 17% annual return average
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:36 PM
 
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Bernie didn't generate any returns so it's kind of odd to bring him up unless sensationalism is just your thing. I'm pretty sure no one here is projected a 17% annual return average
Shouldn't have been 17% in the first place. No rationality except for the fact that there is a MASSIVE conflict of interest through central bank liquidity injections of $300B per month.

I don't even need sensationalism. That's the truth.

Can anyone say, "It's a set up Jack for $400."

DING DING DING.

And what's your prize? Uh, how about a global financial consolidation since this is the fault of "populism."

Lol.

Don't believe me, "just watch."
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:43 PM
 
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Shouldn't have been 17% in the first place. No rationality except for the fact that there is a MASSIVE conflict of interest through central bank liquidity injections of $300B per month.

I don't even need sensationalism. That's the truth.

Can anyone say, "It's a set up Jack for $400."

DING DING DING.

And what's your prize? Uh, how about a global financial consolidation since this is the fault of "populism."

Lol.

Don't believe me, "just watch."
You are voicing your opinion which is fine but you are actively engaging in sensationalism, believe me
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:46 PM
 
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I don't care what people do with their money, just don't march against wall street if you lose your money lol
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:58 PM
 
Location: NJ
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You are aware that upro is leveraged right? It's up 28% ytd
yes. i have very little debt and i figure it is cheaper than buying the index on margin. so i added that.
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Old 06-13-2017, 01:21 PM
 
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17% is so realistic. This certainly couldn't be a bubble. Not a chance.

The historical market risk premium is the difference between what an investor expects to make as a return on an equity portfolio and the risk-free rate of return. Over the last century, the historical market risk premium has averaged between 3.5% and 5.5%.

What is the historical market risk premium? | Investopedia

Did Bernie Madoff even "generate" 17% returns?
feel free to be mr smarty pants and explain why 17% returns are not "realistic" and i will take my 18.15% returns while you are getting nothing.
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Old 06-13-2017, 01:26 PM
 
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feel free to be mr smarty pants and explain why 17% returns are not "realistic" and i will take my 18.15% returns while you are getting nothing.
That's what people who invested with Madoff said too.

Who cares about fundamentals.

Honestly, it's hard to be upset with Madoff because what he said was true. The investors should have known better. It was clearly a scam.
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Old 06-13-2017, 01:28 PM
 
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That's what people who invested with Madoff said too.

Who cares about fundamentals.

Honestly, it's hard to be upset with Madoff because what he said was true. The investors should have known better. It was clearly a scam.
keep on basing your strategy on what happened to madoff clients and keep getting no returns.

the funny thing is that you will end up with much less money and still probably think you are smarter than everyone else.
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