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Old 07-04-2016, 11:48 AM
 
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[31:33] O mankind! Keep your duty to your Lord and fear a Day when the parent will not be able to avail the child in aught, nor the child to avail the parent. Lo! Allah's promise is the very truth. Let not the life of the world beguile you, nor let the deceiver beguile you, in regard to Allah.
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Old 07-04-2016, 11:54 AM
 
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[4.85] Whoever joins himself (to another) in a good cause shall have a share of it, and whoever joins himself (to another) in an evil cause shall have the responsibility of it, and Allah oversees all things.
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Old 07-07-2016, 03:00 AM
 
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[3:191] Those who remember Allah while standing, sitting, and lying on their sides, and meditate on the creation of the heavens and the earth. Then cry out:" Our Lord! You have not created this in vain. Glory to You! Save us from the punishment of Fire.

Salvation in Islam is being saved from the punishment in Hell.
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:36 AM
 
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[3:191] Those who remember Allah while standing, sitting, and lying on their sides, and meditate on the creation of the heavens and the earth. Then cry out:" Our Lord! You have not created this in vain. Glory to You! Save us from the punishment of Fire.

Salvation in Islam is being saved from the punishment in Hell.
Salvation in Islam means accepting a prophet that raped a 4th grader, owned and traded slaves, attacked unarmed villages, slaughtered the men and boys and then had his men mass rape the women, sold women, hit a child, had people murdered for speaking against him, etc....and a 'god' that thinks all this was perfect conduct....and if you swallow Islam's nonsense you get to go to allah's orgy!! Otherwise allah tortures you for eternity.
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:42 AM
 
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[4.85] Whoever joins himself (to another) in a good cause shall have a share of it, and whoever joins himself (to another) in an evil cause shall have the responsibility of it, and Allah oversees all things.
Islam's good causes:

Slaughter non-Muslims
Own and trade slaves
Sex with children/young virgins
Mass rape of non-Muslims
Hatred of non-Muslims
Taking over the world by force
Beating women
.....
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Old 07-07-2016, 05:16 PM
 
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Salvation in Islam means accepting a prophet that raped a 4th grader, owned and traded slaves, attacked unarmed villages, slaughtered the men and boys and then had his men mass rape the women, sold women, hit a child, had people murdered for speaking against him, etc....and a 'god' that thinks all this was perfect conduct....and if you swallow Islam's nonsense you get to go to allah's orgy!! Otherwise allah tortures you for eternity.
[16.105] Only they forge the lie who do not believe in Allah's ayat, and these are the liars.
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Old 07-07-2016, 05:19 PM
 
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Islam's good causes:

Slaughter non-Muslims
Own and trade slaves
Sex with children/young virgins
Mass rape of non-Muslims
Hatred of non-Muslims
Taking over the world by force
Beating women
.....
[16.105] Only they forge the lie who do not believe in Allah's ayat, and these are the liars.

[23.97] And say: O my Lord! I seek refuge in Thee from the evil suggestions of the Shaitans.
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:58 PM
 
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[16.105] Only they forge the lie who do not believe in Allah's ayat, and these are the liars.

[23.97] And say: O my Lord! I seek refuge in Thee from the evil suggestions of the Shaitans.
Lie? You were the one saying I was posting from supposed Islamic hate sites when I was posting straight from the Quran. And now you post verses accusing every non-Muslim of being a liar.
Such hate from you!

Slaughter non-Muslims
Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

"The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717)

Quran 2-191 And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

Own and trade slaves

There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man) (Sahih Muslim 3901).

Quran 2:221 And do not marry polytheistic women until they believe. And a believing slave woman is better than a polytheist, even though she might please you.

Quran 23:5 - 6 Who abstain from sex, Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,

Sex with children/young virgins

65:1 O Prophet, when you (and the believers) divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting-period and count the waiting-period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden.

Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64; see also Numbers 65 and 88)

Mass rape of non-Muslims

The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)

"We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)

Hatred of non-Muslims

Quran 2:65 And ye know of those of you who broke the Sabbath, how We said unto them: Be ye apes, despised and hated!

Quran 7:166 Therefore when they revoltingly persisted in what they had been forbidden, We said to them: Be (as) apes, despised and hated.

Quran 28:42 in this world We made a curse to follow them and on the Day of Judgment they will be among the loathed (and despised).

Qur’an 8:55 Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve.

Taking over the world by force

Quran 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Quran 61:9 He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, that He may make it conqueror of all religion however much idolaters may be averse.

Beating women

Quran 4:34 Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
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Old 07-09-2016, 03:16 AM
 
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Slaughter non-Muslims
Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
The verse does not say slaughter "non-Muslims". You lie!

Here is the verse in context:

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Where does it say, "Slaughter non-Muslims"?

The verse says "idolaters" ("mushrikeen") and not non-Muslims. The verse also says to leave their way (leave them alone = do not kill them) if they repent for attacking Muslims. They did repent and had asked for forgiveness and were forgiven by Muhammad and Muslims with him. No slaughter of mushrikeen had taken place after this verse was revealed.

[9.6] And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.

[9.7] How can there be an agreement for the idolaters with Allah and with His Apostle; except those with whom you made an agreement at the Sacred Mosque? So as long as they are true to you, be true to them; surely Allah loves those who are careful
(of their duty).

[9.8] How (can it be)! while if they prevail against you, they would not pay regard in your case to ties of relationship, nor those of covenant; they please you with their mouths while their hearts do not consent; and most of them are transgressors.

[9.9] They have taken a small price for the communications of Allah, so they turn away from His way; surely evil is it that they do.

[9.10] They do not pay regard to ties of relationship nor those of covenant in the case of a believer; and these are they who go beyond the limits.

[9.11] But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.

[9.12] And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief-- surely their oaths are nothing-- so that they may desist.

[9.13] What! Will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.


Many Islam haters quote 9:5 but not in the context. Those idolaters were not slaughtered but forgiven.
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Old 07-09-2016, 08:22 AM
 
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The verse does not say slaughter "non-Muslims". You lie!

Here is the verse in context:

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Where does it say, "Slaughter non-Muslims"?

The verse says "idolaters" ("mushrikeen") and not non-Muslims. The verse also says to leave their way (leave them alone = do not kill them) if they repent for attacking Muslims. They did repent and had asked for forgiveness and were forgiven by Muhammad and Muslims with him. No slaughter of mushrikeen had taken place after this verse was revealed.

[9.6] And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.

[9.7] How can there be an agreement for the idolaters with Allah and with His Apostle; except those with whom you made an agreement at the Sacred Mosque? So as long as they are true to you, be true to them; surely Allah loves those who are careful
(of their duty).

[9.8] How (can it be)! while if they prevail against you, they would not pay regard in your case to ties of relationship, nor those of covenant; they please you with their mouths while their hearts do not consent; and most of them are transgressors.

[9.9] They have taken a small price for the communications of Allah, so they turn away from His way; surely evil is it that they do.

[9.10] They do not pay regard to ties of relationship nor those of covenant in the case of a believer; and these are they who go beyond the limits.

[9.11] But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.

[9.12] And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief-- surely their oaths are nothing-- so that they may desist.

[9.13] What! Will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.


Many Islam haters quote 9:5 but not in the context. Those idolaters were not slaughtered but forgiven.

What garbage! Are idolaters/polytheists/pagans muslims? No, they are NON-Muslims. NOT MUSLIMS. They are to be slaughtered per the Quran for being NOT MUSLIMS!

And this is NOT IN SELF DEFENSE! The Muslims are the ones that are commanded to attack and slaughter:

"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, "

Slaughter UNLESS these NOT MUSLIMS become MUSLIMS:

" then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate,"

So you lie when you say "The verse also says to leave their way (leave them alone = do not kill them) if they lie in wait for them in every ambush"

The NON-MUSLIMS are not attacking!! The Muslims are the ones who "lie in wait for them in every ambush"!!!!

And it does NOT say " to leave their way (leave them alone = do not kill them) if they repent for attacking Muslims" as you claim!!

It says: "then if they repent (NOTHING ABOUT REPENTING FOR ATTACKING MUSLIMS!!!) and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; "

Why did you add words to the verse and hy did you leave out "and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate"?????

What does "keep up prayer" mean???

What does "pay the poor-rate" mean???
"Zakat means purifying your wealth for the will of Allah SWT; to acknowledge that everything we own belongs to Allah SWT and to work towards the betterment of the Muslim Ummah."
https://www.muslimaid.org/zakat-charity/

WHY DID YOU LEAVE THESE THINGS OUT OF YOUR COMMENTS?

These non-muslims were forced to join Islam or die. This is not self defense.

[9.11] But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.

repent and keep up prayer = become Muslims!!

Let me say again, it is totally evil to slaughter people (or even threaten to slaughter them) for not believing what you believe. And, it is not possible to make people give up their long-held beliefs and accept your evil beliefs at the point of a gun, or sword. If I demand that you start believing in scientology and turn your back on allah right this minute or I will kill you.....can you do that? OF COURSE NOT!! Yet this is what Muslims - including Muhammed- were doing. Would people pretend to be Muslims to save their lives???? OF COURSE THEY WOULD.

If I put a gun to your head and demanded that you abandon Islam and believe what I believe, what would that make me?

It would make me like Muhammed. It would make me like Allah. Your heros.

The Verse of the Sword: Sura 9:5 and Jihad
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