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Old 08-23-2014, 01:36 AM
 
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Peace be on you.
Allah sends Messengers / Prophets to give life to humanity. He sends manuals of peaceful living through them. Earlier, He made human through the process of creation and guided evolution as Holy Quran explains. The purpose was that human should attain love of Allah by paying His rights and rights of His Creation.


As the time passes, human gravitate morally and forget Divine teachings. Then Allah revives:

“O ye who believe! Respond to Allah and the Messenger when He calls you that He may give you life……” (Holy Quran chapter 8 : verse 25)


The verse can also be translated as:

“O ye who believe! Respond to Allah and the Messenger when he calls you that he may give you life……” (Holy Quran chapter 8 : verse 25)


The reason is that Messengers say the same as Allah tells to them.


What is happening in current Muslim world, does one see any life-giving process? They are collapsing, there are internal stand offs and feuds, they are being fooled by external powers, they are cutting throats. Are they getting or giving life to themselves or to the world?

The loud and clear anwser is NO.

Why?

Lets us analyse the phenomenon at the base.


At the culmination of religions evolution, religious message was made perfect at Holy Quran and Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be on him). Uniquely, it is very much explicitly stated in Holy Quran.

Chapter 62 verse 3, tells that Holy Prophet was sent to misguided people. They were truly representative of all kind of ignorance of the time. There were other religions too there in Arabia, but in much moral decay:

"He it is Who has raised among the unlettered people a Messenger from among themselves who recites unto them His verses, purifies them, and teaches the the Book and wisdom, although the had been, before, in manifest misguidance." (62:3)



When Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h.) trained the fallen ones, they became pure hearted, organized and life givers, they excelled in education and science alongwith spirituality, this state remained for times. Misguided became Righteous with the prayer, touch and training of Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h.).


The very same Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h.) was told by Allah that in latter days, his followers would reach to utmost spiritual decay, their mosques would become source of all troubles, their religious leaders would become worst of the creation under the heavens, so on and so forth. This is well known description in prominent books of sayings of Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h.) like, Bhukhari, Muslim, Ibeney Majah...


Muslim countries are having such symptoms since 1900 plus minus. Day by day they are progressing but in collapse and decay.


Then what about the claims that Islam is universal, Islam is for all, Islam is forever, Islam is for peace? Islam gives life, Islam teaches how to live? Islam teaches to be good with other religions ??????????????


The claim is really true.


The Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h.), being the Best and Last-Prophet-with-Religious-Law, gave a real hope and said about coming of an ardent devotee of him who would revive faith. Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h.) gave the titles to this servant as: Jesus, Messiah, Mahdi, Prophet.

This personality is mentioned in Holy Quran as :
"And among other form among them, who have not yet joined them. he is Mighty, Wise' (62:4)

Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h.) was asked about this verse, he remained silent. He was asked three times. Then he explained that when faith would ascend to Pleiades [become weak] one of his devotee would bring it back. [Bhukhari]........Obviously the Holy Prophet was foretelling of revival of Islam by a Reformer.


It is not coincidence that Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h.) also said that after him there would be righteous Khilafat [it came true as four righteous Khalifah-s came], the there would two kind of cruel kingship [it also came true along the Islamic history, but even then, true Islam remained alive through local righteous Reformers (Mujadid-s), then Holy Prophet said, Khilafat-on-the-precept-of-Prophethood would come. [Musnad Ahmad, Mish'kaat]


Keeping all above discussion in mind, the last sentence of above paragraph and the verse mentioned in the beginning are vital.


1-Now without coming of subordinate-Prophet-to-Holy-Prophet (pbuh) [Khilafat-on-the-precept-of-Prophethood], Khilafat cannot be established.

2-When it comes, it has to give life to people. [as said Khilafat has to serve Prophethood, “O ye who believe! Respond to Allah and the Messenger when He calls you that He may give you life……” (Holy Quran chapter 8 : verse 25) ]

As prophesied, Allah has sent the Promised Reformer and those who accepted him, are progressing and giving life to others. They present life giving Islam, they serve humanity and they give life. There is no other remedy now and will ever have for revival.

The Promised Revival, Ahmadiyya Muslim community USA chapter has just concluded their 66 the Annual spiritual Convention.

"Civic, political and religious leaders lauded the efforts of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community USA during its 66th Annual Convention this past weekend in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. More than 7,000 people attended the oldest and longest lasting Muslim convention in America .........The focus of this year’s convention was to discuss faith’s role as the antidote to the world’s crises."
Press Release @ America
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Old 08-29-2014, 08:25 PM
 
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The problem here is you are giving Qur'anic verses, some that are from the meccan qur'an which have been abrogated.

People use the Qur'an in a feeble attempt to explain muhammed, but carefully avoid the most important parts.

First, Muhammed is not in the Qur'an, only mentioned 4 times, and at least 3 could be referring to someone else.

Muhammed is written about in depth in Ishaq, and Taburi, both written before todays Qur'an, and very plain answers are given to people who try to extract different ones using the Qur'an only.

You have in the messenger a beautiful pattern of conduct to follow. ( Qur'an).

Where do you learn about this pattern of conduct if you read the Qur'an only. It is not in there.

You learn about it in Ishaq and Taburi, and it is not a pretty sight.

He was a murderer, rapist, child molester, thief, slave trader, and on and on, committing virtually every heinous crime known to man.

These writings are the inspiration for all the Islamic chaos we see today, people following in the footsteps of muhammed.
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Old 09-26-2014, 12:42 AM
 
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Arrow Have proper knowledge please!

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The problem here is you are giving Qur'anic verses, some that are from the meccan qur'an which have been abrogated.

People use the Qur'an in a feeble attempt to explain muhammed, but carefully avoid the most important parts.

First, Muhammed is not in the Qur'an, only mentioned 4 times, and at least 3 could be referring to someone else.
There is one Quran.
"1. The Meccan Surahs deal mainly with faith, while the Medinite Surahs deal mainly with action or the implementation of faith.

2. Meccan Surahs are generally prophetic, while the Medinite Surahs deal with the realization and fulfillment of prophecies.

3. Meccan Surahs emphasize Man's relationship with God, while Medinite Surahs emphasize man's relationship with fellow man and lay down rules and regulations for social and moral conduct."
source: https://www.alislam.org/books/religi...edge/sec2.html


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Following images of verses and translations are from Ahmadiyya Muslims' site alislam.org/quran. They show how much wrong informatiom Jim a49 possess and spread. Please have proper knowledge before you embark on any subject. These verses have direct name of Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be on him). There are many more with use of pronoun He or You.

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[3:145] And Muhammad is only a Messenger. Verily, all Messengers have passed away before him. If then he die or be slain, will you turn back on your heels? And he who turns back on his heels shall not harm Allah at all. And Allah will certainly reward the grateful.

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[33:41] Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

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[47:3] But as for those who believe and do good works and believe in that which has been revealed to Muhammad — and it is the truth from their Lord — He removes from them their sins and improves their condition.

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[48:30] Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. And those who are with him are hard against the disbelievers, tender among themselves. Thou seest them bowing and prostrating themselves in Prayer, seeking grace from Allah and His pleasure. Their mark is upon their faces, being the traces of prostrations. This is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is like unto a seed-produce that sends forth its sprout, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and stands firm on its stem, delighting the sowers — that He may cause the disbelievers to burn with rage at the sight of them. Allah has promised, unto those of them who believe and do good works, forgiveness and a great reward.






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Muhammed is written about in depth in Ishaq, and Taburi, both written before todays Qur'an, and very plain answers are given to people who try to extract different ones using the Qur'an only.

You have in the messenger a beautiful pattern of conduct to follow. ( Qur'an).

Where do you learn about this pattern of conduct if you read the Qur'an only. It is not in there.

You learn about it in Ishaq and Taburi, and it is not a pretty sight.

---------(NAME CALLING OMMITTED)--------------------
These books of history are not line on the stone. Ishaq is said to have bias. Please meet any Ahmadiyya Muslim and talk to them what islam is or please read their site
ahmadiyya.us




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These writings are the inspiration for all the Islamic chaos we see today, people following in the footsteps of muhammed.
Can you judge real Judaism and real Christainity or any other true religion of past based on current practices of adherents? Of course not. Reforms are there in the form of Ahmadiyya Muslims.
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Old 09-26-2014, 07:52 AM
 
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I strongly suggest you learn something about Islam before you preach it.
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Old 09-26-2014, 09:20 AM
 
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There is one Quran.





Can you judge real Judaism and real Christainity or any other true religion of past based on current practices of adherents? Of course not. Reforms are there in the form of Ahmadiyya Muslims.

Btw, you cannot judge a religion by what the people practice.

You judge a religion by it's documentation, it's reasoning, it's factual information,

Not what some people do with it.
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Old 09-26-2014, 09:23 AM
 
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Peace be on all humanity.
Note please,

You wrote: " First, Muhammed is not in the Qur'an, only mentioned 4 times, and at least 3 could be referring to someone else."

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I brought 4 clear verse each of which exclusively states the name of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be on him). So 4 time reference is present directly to Prophet (pbuh). Your so called facts were 100 % wrong.

Please accept your incomplete and wrong knowledge.

One is clear, your other posts are of same academic stature too.

Spreading hate among large groups will give you nothing. Do not mix current political problems with religion. I am sure you are violating forum rules too.

Have peace.

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Old 09-26-2014, 09:27 AM
 
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Seems to me your math is not too good

I said Muhammed is not in the Qur'an, only mentioned 4 times, and at least 3 could be referring to someone else."
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[color=#ff0000]Do you have something that says otherwise.

And we can break these 4 down and see if it really is "he" they are speaking of.

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Old 09-26-2014, 10:46 AM
 
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LOLOL And please,

Where did you get your Qur'an. from a New York bookstore.

My Nobel, Pitchal, and Yousaf ali, is a little different.
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Old 09-27-2014, 10:11 PM
 
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LOLOL And please,

Where did you get your Qur'an. from a New York bookstore.

My Nobel, Pitchal, and Yousaf ali, is a little different.
From Picktall

3:144 (Picktall) Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels? He who turneth back doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful.

33:40 (Y. Ali) Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

47:2 (Picktall) And those who believe and do good works and believe in that which is revealed unto Muhammad--and it is the truth from their Lord--He riddeth them of their ill deeds and improveth their state.

48:29 (Y. Ali) Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.


Different Translators and/or printing companies will number the Ayyats different as some do not count the Bismillah that precedes each surah (Except 9) as a line

The surah and line numbers do not appear in the recited Arabic.

All Muslims Shi'ite, Sunni, Ahmadyyah, Sufi use the same recited Qur'an. We usually have personal preferences as to which translations if we choose or need to use a translation. But none of us consider a translation to be the Qur'an.
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Old 09-28-2014, 07:45 AM
 
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Woodrow,

I didn't address that to you, sorry if it looked that way.

Seems we have a couple muslims here who are dropping bombs and running away.
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