We as Muslims stand united in condemnation of ISIS for today's attack in Brussels.

[bg7]

Islam is an ideology - its entirely reasonable to hate it if it conflicts with, or is entirely inconsistent with one's own ideology - eg universal human rights. "Islam hater" has no power as a condemnatory phrase. Its like veganism hater or communism hater. So what?


Hating muslims (people) is entirely different - and abhorrent.

[juju33312]

Originally Posted by bg7

Islam is an ideology - its entirely reasonable to hate it if it conflicts with, or is entirely inconsistent with one's own ideology - eg universal human rights. "Islam hater" has no power as a condemnatory phrase. Its like veganism hater or communism hater. So what?


Hating muslims (people) is entirely different - and abhorrent.

It is not abhorrent to hate people who support evil or do evil. It's justice.

Hate:
a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury
b : extreme dislike or antipathy : loathing <had a great hate of hard work>

I hate Nazis. I hate Stalin. I hate Muhammed. I hate members of NAMBLA. I hate terrorists and all people who support evil and those who do evil.

It is popular to condemn 'haters'...especially Muslims like to do this. But it matters WHAT you hate.

In this case, the hate originates from Islam. So, Islam promotes hate and rape and slaughter and torture and pedophilia and slavery. The followers of this ideology in turn hate the people who are against Islam's evils and call them haters.

So, the followers of evil and hate call those against the evil and hate from Islam...haters! An interesting tactic to defend evil and hate while damning the people who stand for good.

The interesting issue is ... why is it so hard to judge individual followers of evil ideologies? Continuum made an excellent observation:
" In the thirties there were lots of negative comments against the Nazi and Germans.
Do you called those who criticized and condemned Nazi, Hitler and Germans as Nazi Haters.
As far as I know no one labelled them 'Nazi Haters' in general."

I think it has to do with political correctness, which Muslims push to their advantage. Also, most people do not like to judge individuals, thinking all individuals are different. But all Muslims, like all Nazis, follow the same ideology. So you can judge them on the ideology they choose to follow.

[Woodrow LI]

Originally Posted by juju33312

It is not abhorrent to hate people who support evil or do evil. It's justice.

Hate:
a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury
b : extreme dislike or antipathy : loathing <had a great hate of hard work>

I hate Nazis. I hate Stalin. I hate Muhammed. I hate members of NAMBLA. I hate terrorists and all people who support evil and those who do evil.

It is popular to condemn 'haters'...especially Muslims like to do this. But it matters WHAT you hate.

In this case, the hate originates from Islam. So, Islam promotes hate and rape and slaughter and torture and pedophilia and slavery. The followers of this ideology in turn hate the people who are against Islam's evils and call them haters.

So, the followers of evil and hate call those against the evil and hate from Islam...haters! An interesting tactic to defend evil and hate while damning the people who stand for good.

The interesting issue is ... why is it so hard to judge individual followers of evil ideologies? Continuum made an excellent observation:
" In the thirties there were lots of negative comments against the Nazi and Germans.
Do you called those who criticized and condemned Nazi, Hitler and Germans as Nazi Haters.
As far as I know no one labelled them 'Nazi Haters' in general."

I think it has to do with political correctness, which Muslims push to their advantage. Also, most people do not like to judge individuals, thinking all individuals are different. But all Muslims, like all Nazis, follow the same ideology. So you can judge them on the ideology they choose to follow.

I must katow to your powers as I know of no other person with those abilities, to know the feelings and intentions and beliefs of all Muslims.

I am humbled by your excellent knowledge of Islam as I do not know of any Muslims who believes "Islam promotes hate and rape and slaughter and torture and pedophilia and slavery"

[juju33312]

Originally Posted by Woodrow LI

I must katow to your powers as I know of no other person with those abilities, to know the feelings and intentions and beliefs of all Muslims.

I am humbled by your excellent knowledge of Islam as I do not know of any Muslims who believes "Islam promotes hate and rape and slaughter and torture and pedophilia and slavery"

I did my homework.

[Clarallel]

This is a nice thought, but in reality, I'm struck by the fact that there seems to be no public condemnation from high-ranking Muslim clerics.

[Woodrow LI]

Originally Posted by Clarallel

This is a nice thought, but in reality, I'm struck by the fact that there seems to be no public condemnation from high-ranking Muslim clerics.

There are no high ranking clerics. We have no ordained clergy and every Muslim is a cleric. there is no Clergy Hierarchy and all Muslims are considered equal in terms of being clergy. Some of the Saudis seem to think they are big chief honchos of Islam, but we do not accept them as such.

Every Muslim dresses the same and is indistinguishable from any other Muslim for Hajj.

There are a few Imams and scholars that have gained a following and they have spoken out loudly. But we have no such thing as religious leaders that can speak for Islam.

With that said some of the Muslims that have spoken out

Belgian Muslims condemn attacks, donate blood – POLITICO

http://abc7chicago.com/news/chicagos...tacks/1258141/

Orange County's Muslim leaders condemn Brussels attack - The Orange County Register

Nocookies | The Australian

Maltese Muslim community condemns Brussels bombings - timesofmalta.com

Brussels attacks: London faith group and Muslim leaders release statement condemning attacks | City A.M.