Sam Brownback..(this is why I'm embarrassed of Kansas)

[SPonteKC]

You know what's sadder than a historically agricultural state that has had it's economic foundations torn out from under it by 50 years of bipartisan malfeasance on the part coastal urban leeches who literally survive off of the food it produces but cry fowl when they have to subsidize the growers of that food that they are unwilling/incapable of paying for/growing themselves?

You know what's sadder than that? Trolling internet forums about states you irrationally hate.

Eat any bread, corn or meat this year, pal? You're welcome. Glad Missourians have a sambo they think they deserve to make fun of because Kansas is

a state that needs a lot more money than it could ever produce on its own

Let me enlighten you about a few other places that take more from the federal government than they pay in, Mr. Newly Minted East Coast Urbanophile. Here's a quick rundown of some random places ranked by amount of federal money received per tax dollar paid. From highest to lowest:

#4, D.C.

#13, Virginia

# 17, Maryland

# 22, Missouri

# 24, Kansas

And just so you know, as a little geography refresher, since the schools on the coasts can't seem to teach anybody what lies between New Jersey and the San Joaquin valley, there are 50 states. So Kansas is just about the middle of the road when it comes to needing money it can't produce on its own.

[Sco]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

Kansas might export its unemployment to other states. It probably explains why 90% of all counties in the state lost population. JOCO doesn't have this issue, but the rest of the state has nothing in common with JOCO.

I have seen you make this point several times and people still don't seem to get it. If you live in Kansas, but outside Johnson Co or the NE corner, if you lose your job, the only choice you have is to move. Wichita is a good example, the only way that you can get jobs in some career fields is to wait for the people that currently have them to die. No rational person is going to wait around in Kansas for a job that doesn't exist when they can just move to another area with a more diverse economy.

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by Daisy_may

Now pointing out that republicans are bigoted is being bigoted? Looks like you have learned from your spin masters well young Neocon. Maybe one day you can be saved from the dark side.

I'm actually an independent voting, pro-gay marriage social liberal and fiscal conservative.

However, I don't make blanket statements about 1/2 billion christians in the world based upon the actions of the fringe.

Those tactics are the work of bigots and racists that love to point at radical muslims or some black guy that committed a crime and then use that to paint the ENTIRE group with hateful comments.

Had you complained about fundament christians or fringe groups etc. that are intolerant and hateful etc. then I wouldn't have found your comments offensive. Instead you attacked all Christians in an incredibly ironic attack on them for not being *tolerant*.

P.S. We have a lot of trouble with bigoted transplants coming to our state like the WBC....maybe you can take them with you back to Mississippi where they came from?

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

Kansas might export its unemployment to other states. It probably explains why 90% of all counties in the state lost population. JOCO doesn't have this issue, but the rest of the state has nothing in common with JOCO.

Is this a common rural issue due to increasing farm size or are you just pinning this on KS for political reasons?

[kcmo]

Originally Posted by Mathguy

Is this a common rural issue due to increasing farm size or are you just pinning this on KS for political reasons?

Here is how KS compred to MO: MO has major losses in the rural northern part of the state, but nothing like what's going on in Kansas.

Originally Posted by kcmo

I got bored and came up with some interesting data. (this is all population change from 2000-2009 from the US census web site)

KANSAS:

First off, there are 105 counties in Kansas. Of those, a whopping 85 of those counties lost population between 2000 and 2009.

Of the counties that gained only six added more than 5000 new residents in nearly a decade. Nearly all of the counties that did add people added under 1000 residents.

Kansas counties gained 176,480 new residents from 2000-2009, but counties lost 57,483 for a net gain of only 118,997. So lets look at the counties that gained.

The Kansas side of the KC area added 111,767 residents (which includes Lawrence and a loss of 2,772 in Wyandotte County)

The Wichita MSA added 40,638 residents (which includes a loss of 2,459 in Sumner County)

Manhattan/Junction City area added 14,047 residents

Topeka area added 6,024 residents.

So this is where the new residents moved to.

KC area 66%
Wichita area 23%
Manhattan area 8%
Topeka area added 2%
The rest of KS added 1% of the new residents (mostly in a few counties, rural KS is a net loss and a pretty big one).

So basically, if you factor in losses in WyCo, nearly 70% of all new residents in the entire state of Kansas moved to Johnson County. One county. And that one county is nothing more than a suburb of a metro area anchored in Missouri.

Wichita holds its own and does well, the Manhattan area is doing ok. The rest of the state is typically losing people.


MISSOURI:

First off, there are 115 counties in Missouri. Of those, 53 counties lost population between 2000 and 2009.

Of the counties 62 that gained 18 added more than 5000 new residents in nearly a decade. Half the other remaining counties that added people added more than 1000 residents.

Missouri counties gained 429,940 new residents from 2000-2009, but counties lost 48,425 (St Louis County accounting for half of all of MO's loss) for a net gain of 381,515. So lets look at the counties that gained.

To keep things simple, I will only look at the primary urban counties in KC and StL, not the smaller rural counties around them, even though they are in the MSA. The numbers are not significant enough to mess with (although they are included in my state wide totals).

The Missouri side of the KC area added 127,497 residents (no counties on the MO side of KC is losing people)

The Missouri side of St Louis added 75,229 residents (which includes a loss of 24k in StL County)

Springfield area added 61,125 residents

Columbia area added 20,131 residents.

So this is where the new residents moved to.

KC area 34%
St Louis area 19%
Springfield area 16%
Columbia area added 6%
The rest of MO added 25% of the new residents. Nearly all the counties south of I-70 gained. Most of the counties north of I-70 lost.

Springfield is becoming a major player in Missouri. The metro area is catching up to Wichita.

StLouis is mostly "sprawling", growing (or migrating) west into west county and st charles county, but with little net regional gain.

KC is is growing at a modest, but steady pace across all the MO side counties while growth on the KS side of KC is almost entirely in one county.

So here is the bottom line.

MO and KS added (net gain) 500,512 residents between 2000 and 2009.

Of that, 239,264 chose the Kansas City area.

So the KC area accounts for 48% of all new residents in the states of MO and KS. Not bad!

There. I'm done .

[jbtornado]

Mathguy, in the other post that was just closed, you basically stated that you do not care about the imaginary line that runs in the middle of Kansas City..

That's a great statement if you were telling the truth, but clearly you were not because also in that thread you bashed KCMO's school district, Missouri politicians, and insulted the Missouri meth stigma that so many Kansans use on Missouri.. If someone really did not think a line mattered, why would they use these or even care about them? Most major cities have school problems too, last time I checked, Wichita's school district is rather large and has had issues too.. It just does not get the coverage from media like the Kansas City Missouri school district.

With that said, over the long run, its so obvious that unless things change, and thats a variable we do not know, Kansas will continue to struggle and remain stagnant in population while Missouri will grow slowly and probably have more issues with social issues due to the fact that 2 major urban centers are located in its state

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by jbtornado

Mathguy, in the other post that was just closed, you basically stated that you do not care about the imaginary line that runs in the middle of Kansas City..

That's a great statement if you were telling the truth, but clearly you were not because also in that thread you bashed KCMO's school district, Missouri politicians, and insulted the Missouri meth stigma that so many Kansans use on Missouri.. If someone really did not think a line mattered, why would they use these or even care about them? Most major cities have school problems too, last time I checked, Wichita's school district is rather large and has had issues too.. It just does not get the coverage from media like the Kansas City Missouri school district.

With that said, over the long run, its so obvious that unless things change, and thats a variable we do not know, Kansas will continue to struggle and remain stagnant in population while Missouri will grow slowly and probably have more issues with social issues due to the fact that 2 major urban centers are located in its state

Actually, I wasn't bashing them as those are pretty well known facts. I was merely pointing out some of the negatives after pages and pages of attacks on KS in order to make a point....and the minute I did I was yelled because we are always attacking MO.

Scroll back through the whole thread and predictably, the first people to attack cried the hardest when there was blow-back....and now here you are calling me out?

[coralpinksand]

Brownback does not care about the youth of this state. You wonder why kids hate him? He's cutting their education money down to the bone. He does not value education, thus he doesn't care to fund it. Kansas is ranked 45th in education in the US, and you are telling me you want to make it worse by cutting it more? If you support Brownback, you basicly think that making like the idea of dumbing down our students. Of course, the legislature doesn't care because their kids get to go to private school........

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by coralpinksand

Brownback does not care about the youth of this state. You wonder why kids hate him? He's cutting their education money down to the bone. He does not value education, thus he doesn't care to fund it. Kansas is ranked 45th in education in the US, and you are telling me you want to make it worse by cutting it more? If you support Brownback, you basicly think that making like the idea of dumbing down our students. Of course, the legislature doesn't care because their kids get to go to private school........

Adding some links with actual facts would be incredibly helpful.

After I saw your claim about 45th in education, which is radically different than anything I've ever seen, I can't take any of your comments on face value.