08-01-2009, 08:56 AM
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We are getting ready to purchase an older home (circa. 1932) and the inspector recommends replacing the electric panel because there is a greater chance of it not working and a circuit to overheat. The seller states that they had an electrician look at it prior to putting the home on the market and the electrician says it is fine and he/she will back that up. I would feel safer if they replaced the panel but would rather not jeopardize the sale if they decide to not replace it. The house has other issues and we are going to invest a lot of money into updating the house; I would rather not spend a lot of extra on items I believe they should fix. Ideas?
08-01-2009, 09:31 AM
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Make them an offer that is reduced by the amount that your electrician says it will take to fix the problem.
They either accept it or they won't.
08-01-2009, 10:52 AM
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You can also write into the contract that the seller has to have the work done prior to closing.
They may try to negotiate it out, but I wouldn't hesitate to put it on the table. It's still a buyers' market out there and if they are selling a house that needs work, they should be expecting to make some concessions.
08-01-2009, 05:58 PM
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It depends if it passes inspection or not, if it does it's not going to be an item that is mandatory that it be fixed. If it passes inspection then you can still request that it be replaced but the owner will not have to do that. You can request all kinds of items be replaced, it's just up to the seller whether they will do it or not. I just sold my home and the buyer requested all kinds of items be replaced, none were items that did NOT pass in any of the numerous inspections the buyer paid for, so I told them NO I would not replace the items on their list. Buyer said ok and the deal went through with no issues. Ask for the sky and see how gullible/desperate the seller is!
08-02-2009, 11:02 AM
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I wouldn't ask the seller to fix it. They will go the cheapest route they can; you want it fixed right.
Reduce your offer by the amount it takes to fix it right.
But most of all, be prepared to walk away. There is nothing special about this house or any other. Something as good or better will be available next week.
08-02-2009, 12:32 PM
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cp1969
I wouldn't ask the seller to fix it. They will go the cheapest route they can; you want it fixed right.
You can stipulate in the contract who you want to do the work and that it has to be done to your satisfaction.
When we bought, there were some things I wanted to do or have done myself, but there were other things that I wanted done prior to closing so that I wouldn't have to mess with them. When we sold, we didn't "cheap out" on the repairs that were asked of us. Better to have it done right than have to do it again or risk prolonging or losing the sale.
Do what works best for you, but the seller has to expect some concessions unless they have listed the house specifically "as is".
08-02-2009, 01:55 PM
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animaldrj
We are getting ready to purchase an older home (circa. 1932) and the inspector recommends replacing the electric panel because there is a greater chance of it not working and a circuit to overheat. The seller states that they had an electrician look at it prior to putting the home on the market and the electrician says it is fine and he/she will back that up. I would feel safer if they replaced the panel but would rather not jeopardize the sale if they decide to not replace it. The house has other issues and we are going to invest a lot of money into updating the house; I would rather not spend a lot of extra on items I believe they should fix. Ideas?
I did prepurchase home inspections for 20 years (over 5000 inspections).....although I am from New Jersey the bottom line everywhere is that your inspector only made a recommendation......apparently he didn't find anything defective......in order to get the owner to replace/repair a panel, or anything, it must be defective in some manner that its not operatiing the way it was intended to at the time of inspection. You can't get the owner to replace something just because of age alone. Unfortunately today, due to fear of lawsuits and lack of experience, inspectors tend to more critical of items to cover themselves......again......if he can't point to something defective with the panel other than say maybe something may happen in the future don't expect the seller to do anything about it. When you retain an inspector your supposed to receive specific/detailed information you can negotiate with.....not "maybe this or that".
08-02-2009, 03:23 PM
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You can't get the owner to replace something just because of age alone.
Oh yes you can.
Everything is negotiable. The buyers of our house stipulated all kinds of non-essential stuff they wanted to keep (like certain window treatments) or wanted done (like sealing the sump pump). We negotiated. We agreed to some of it, they agreed to forego some of it.
But I do agree with you that the inspector's job is to give you a detailed report on the condition of the house. Recommending replacement of something due to age is just that: a recommendation. What you do with the info is up to you. You can ask the sellers to replace it, they can agree or refuse, and what happens after that is all part of the process.
08-02-2009, 04:39 PM
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Oh yes you can.
Everything is negotiable. The buyers of our house stipulated all kinds of non-essential stuff they wanted to keep (like certain window treatments) or wanted done (like sealing the sump pump). We negotiated. We agreed to some of it, they agreed to forego some of it.
But I do agree with you that the inspector's job is to give you a detailed report on the condition of the house. Recommending replacement of something due to age is just that: a recommendation. What you do with the info is up to you. You can ask the sellers to replace it, they can agree or refuse, and what happens after that is all part of the process.
Your spitting into the wind.....sure you can ask for it but don't expect to get it. Comparing leaving window treatments you have no further need for behind and sealing a sump pump lid to replacing an entire electrical panel on a home inspectors "maybe" is nuts.....additionally you don't get a new furnace, plumbing system, roof or AC unit just because the existing one isn't new......it has to be defective in some manner.......if your agent suggests you should then you need a new agent....otherwise every buyer would ask for every original major system in a 30 year old home to be replaced.
08-02-2009, 06:41 PM
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Your spitting into the wind.....sure you can ask for it but don't expect to get it. Comparing leaving window treatments you have no further need for behind and sealing a sump pump lid to replacing an entire electrical panel on a home inspectors "maybe" is nuts.....additionally you don't get a new furnace, plumbing system, roof or AC unit just because the existing one isn't new......it has to be defective in some manner.......if your agent suggests you should then you need a new agent....otherwise every buyer would ask for every original major system in a 30 year old home to be replaced.
Sorry, but I disagree with you and I've been party to several real estate transactions in recent years. You can
ask for anything. And in today's market, if it's a reasonable request, it's quite likely to be granted.
I was giving examples of non-essential repairs, not making direct comparisons.
For a more direct comparison: We bought a rental house a few years ago. The furnace was not defective, it was working at the time, but it was old and we were worried that it was on it's last legs. We wrote into the contract that we wanted a new furnace and the seller agreed to put it in prior to closing.
Now more so than then it is a buyers' market. Of course, a buyer isn't going to ask for "every original major system to be replaced". But if a buyer feels that there is a significant issue with the electrical system, it's completely reasonable to ask for some allowance for it in the contract.
On a related note, it's also quite reasonable to ask the seller to provide a 12 month home warranty that covers all major appliances. Our recent sellers bought one for us and we bought one for our buyers on the last two properties we sold.
Bottom line: Everything is negotiable.
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People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)