[yellowsnow]

No doubt there are some sweet deals. They exist everywhere for a few people.

But the average Jack and Jane probably won't do that well.

[Tiger Beer]

Originally Posted by lyra33

By the way- another plug for the military. I know someone who has a bachelor's degree, and he's in the air force. They are paying and flying him to an ivy league to get his master's degree. Yep, that's right. The icing on the cake- he gets paid for going to work when they fly him to school.

A little off topic...but I always wonder if Tea Partiers are upset by this or not.

[airics]

Originally Posted by rereman

Aren't those types of jobs fairly difficult to get?

they take a bit.. but not impossible.

[airics]

Originally Posted by lyra33

But who actually makes that much? And no offense consider the work. For a woman it has to get old dressing up in a skimpy outfit and walking in heels all day, making drinks, serving food for the rest of your life? Cleaning toilets and after people? Plus the competition makes it tough...it's not a secure job. You are subject to layoffs, casino closures, a younger group moving in etc. (Unless you are in management, which I'm guessing requires a degree.)

With an education you can surpass the 80,000 cap that only a few people make in the Vegas industry. And generally people are more valuable the older they get compared to the image Vegas promotes.

Someone with a degree can move away from Vegas and get a job pretty much anywhere. You can even get a job that's not in your field simply because you have a degree. It's a risk to base your entire future on the ability to deal cards or serve drinks in heels.

Plus having your degree makes you more valuable in general. It shows something about your character and perseverance. Honestly...I consider a 4 year degree to be equivalent to a HS diploma nowadays. A Masters is more comparable to the 4 degree years ago. It's competitive and it frustrates me when I see kids in Vegas with stars in their eyes thinking oooh, ahhhh dealers make 60,000! Life will be good then.

No one tells them how hard it is to get to that point and even then it's not a secure environment to base the rest of your life on. A degree gives you security for the rest of your life to build upon.

first not every job in a casino entails a skimpy outfit, cleaning rooms, serving etc... some of the people i work with are in their 60s...
and here's the big one.... who gets the mgmt job in my department.
1. guy with degree (mgmt, hotel, finance, etc) no experience in dept
2. guy with degree 1 yr experience in dept
3. guy with no degree 2yrs experience in dept.

answer is 3. when my department is hiring, we don't even look outside the hotel unless it is a last resort... they will take a server to the cage prior to taking someone from outside.. unless there is juice involved. and guy could be girl too.

[dynimagelv]

Originally Posted by airics

3. guy with no degree 2yrs experience in dept.

answer is 3. when my department is hiring, we don't even look outside the hotel unless it is a last resort... they will take a server to the cage prior to taking someone from outside.. unless there is juice involved. and guy could be girl too.

BINGO.....
Our Reservations manager [my boss] has only a HS diploma
Our Director of Casino Marketing has only a HS diploma
Our Casino Cage Manager has only a HS Diploma
Our Casino Marketing Manager has only a HS Diploma

What they ALL have in common is many years of service to the company and the ability to think thru the job and get it done.

[airics]

you have to stop thinking "old school" to get a job here in vegas..

[dynimagelv]

remember that MOST [not all] of the bentnose boys only graduated from reform school....but they had a talent for runnin a joint....traditionally it's been that way for all these years....Big Business taking over from 'da boyz' made it easier for the college kids to get a job.

[jasper12]

It is nice when you are a teacher at CCSD, and have two masters degrees, one in Special Education, one in Counseling, and a PhD in Educational Administration...and the kids look down on you, and tell you that their Dad makes more than you do, and he is runs the sports book at XYZ. The kids don't appreciate education. One student told me his career goal was to be the valet at Mandalay Bay. So, WTF does he need to do an English paper? Well...okay...and then, some of the other parents...one Mom, who came to a parent teacher meeting, straight from her job at Cheetahs...and basically, wants her daughter to do the same job, at age 18. Okay, write an IEP with a goal of...Exotic Dancer? Okay...

And then, there was the student who was illegal, and her "goal" was to have an anchor baby...so she could stay herei in the US. And another issue, is how many kids in CCSD are illegal...they have no goal to graduate from High School, because they can't go to college anyway...they would rather work under the table for cash doing yard work. One parent, who barely speaks English, drove a BMW to school. He has his own business, yard work, cleaning, and now...cleaning out houses, that are foreclosed.

The kids know everything...and they know that the teachers are stupid, because they don't make Jack compared to their parents....and you know what? I think that maybe I agree with them...

[olecapt]

Originally Posted by airics

first not every job in a casino entails a skimpy outfit, cleaning rooms, serving etc... some of the people i work with are in their 60s...
and here's the big one.... who gets the mgmt job in my department.
1. guy with degree (mgmt, hotel, finance, etc) no experience in dept
2. guy with degree 1 yr experience in dept
3. guy with no degree 2yrs experience in dept.

answer is 3. when my department is hiring, we don't even look outside the hotel unless it is a last resort... they will take a server to the cage prior to taking someone from outside.. unless there is juice involved. and guy could be girl too.

Actually that works universally. You always hire internal if you have a reasonable candidate. The degree thing only works when you ain't got an obvious local.

But note that even in house the degree thing begins to work as soon as you don't have an obvious candidate. Would you hire the well endowned blond from the cocktail floor over the MBA from accounting even though the blond gave you the better interview? Takes real cajones to go with the worker...you get points for the ivy leaguer even if she fails miserably.

Higher you get the more interesting it gets. Once got into a bidding war on an undergraduate engineer who may never have graduated. But he was brilliant. Luckily I lost .... he was not that good...then again who would have paid top dollar for Bill Gates after he dropped out.

[LIS123]

I'd say that, other things being equal, it's better to have a Bachelor's degree than not to have one. That said, a Bachelor's degree is so common (and many of the subjects they are earned in so worthless), that a Bachelor's is not a big deal. I'd say that people should go for a Bachelor's (and maybe higher), but they should be VERY carefully about what they study. There are so many graduates in all fields (even the more rigorous and valuable ones), that the competition for jobs is fierce. If you want to get a degree, that's fine, but don't think you're going to be an all-star in the employment market once you finish.