100's of Teachers in Suffolk Might Lose Jobs (Union, Florida: university, quality of life)
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Teachers don't own the classes, the low person in that certification field loses a class. The big savings is in administration postions.
If I am correct in understanding -- if the teacher who taught the class which is cut has more seniority, someone beneath them will have a class taken from them? If Mrs Smith (20 yrs exp) teaches middle school French and it is cut, Miss Jones (2 yrs exp) loses her middle school Italian class?
No one is let go? Or is there a small savings when Miss Jones' isn't working a full day?
If I am correct in understanding -- if the teacher who taught the class which is cut has more seniority, someone beneath them will have a class taken from them? If Mrs Smith (20 yrs exp) teaches middle school French and it is cut, Miss Jones (2 yrs exp) loses her middle school Italian class?
No one is let go? Or is there a small savings when Miss Jones' isn't working a full day?
You are correct. Mrs. Jones will either make a part time salary or be layed off entirely. Someone will lose a full job or part of a job meaning a loss of a significant part of their salary and benefits. Teachers are not paid full salaries if they are not teaching a full-time schedule. When classes are cut, people lose their jobs, but it is the teacher with the least seniority in that specific academic department.
If I am correct in understanding -- if the teacher who taught the class which is cut has more seniority, someone beneath them will have a class taken from them? If Mrs Smith (20 yrs exp) teaches middle school French and it is cut, Miss Jones (2 yrs exp) loses her middle school Italian class?
No one is let go? Or is there a small savings when Miss Jones' isn't working a full day?
Don't confuse French and Italian, those are two different tenure areas and a reduction of one does not cross over into the reduction of another. Let's pretend they are both certified in Math (7-12).
If there is only one class cut, you are correct in that Miss Jones loses one of her five classes and receives a 1/5 or more reduction in pay and perhaps benefits depending on the district. If there are five classes cut, Miss Jones loses all of her five classes. The savings can somewhat add up as districts are contemplating cutting many classes resulting in many of the more junior teachers losing their jobs. You are correct to say that there is no great savings to be found in eliminating single classes from a high school and middle school.
Of course this is completely different on the elementary level as one class cut (via declining enrollment and/or increasing class size, etc) means one teacher eliminated...the Miss Jones of the DISTRICT's elementary school teachers. This is also completely different in the administrative ranks where one reduction means one less administrator.
Then how come there are MILLIONS of people in the workforce over age 40, making large salaries? People in the dog eat dog private sector where there is no such thing as tenure.
Why haven't they all been replaced for someone who makes 1/2 what they do?
I don't think all teachers over 40 would be "inevitably" fired without tenure.
I agree with you. Those people who haven't been fired still have their jobs because they have some combination of skill/experience that far outweighs their higher salary. A legal counsel that has 20 years of virtual copyright law experience could probably justify a salary higher then a 3L coming straight out of Hofstra Law. However, I think the output/skills/experience between a 3rd year teacher and a 30 year teacher are pretty comparable, and you would probably see a lot of "trimming of the fat."
Unions arent the problem, theyre just no longer the solution.
Crooks
Unions have gone from being part of the solution to being part of the problem. Why should a community support what has become a Baby Boomer special interest group of blue collar workers? Why should all of the people who travel into the city every day pay someone $40/hour for someone to click their tickets when someone else would gladly take that job for $12/hour? Why should a community pay $120,000 to a teacher when a comparable teacher can be compensated $40,000 with similar results? The private sector of Long Island doesn't owe the unionized blue collar workers anything more than the market would demand.
Unions are an archaic system that needs to be disposed of, because the environment that it was designed to serve no longer exists. America would benefit by sending unions to the same footnote in history that is reserved for feudal society, arranged marriages, monarchies, and slavery.
Unions have gone from being part of the solution to being part of the problem. Why should a community support what has become a Baby Boomer special interest group of blue collar workers? Why should all of the people who travel into the city every day pay someone $40/hour for someone to click their tickets when someone else would gladly take that job for $12/hour? Why should a community pay $120,000 to a teacher when a comparable teacher can be compensated $40,000 with similar results? The private sector of Long Island doesn't owe the unionized blue collar workers anything more than the market would demand.
Unions are an archaic system that needs to be disposed of, because the environment that it was designed to serve no longer exists. America would benefit by sending unions to the same footnote in history that is reserved for feudal society, arranged marriages, monarchies, and slavery.
You have not established that you'd get similar performance for $40k.
Every teacher I know is a gen-xer, not a baby boomer.
No one has made a case yet for where opening up professional public service, teachers specifically, to the forces of the pretend free market has ever helped a school, its district, or its district's kids.
Yes, I get it. Unions are archaic because corporate and ownership greed is a thing of the past. HUH!?
You have not established that you'd get similar performance for $40k.
Every teacher I know is a gen-xer, not a baby boomer.
No one has made a case yet for where opening up professional public service, teachers specifically, to the forces of the pretend free market has ever helped a school, its district, or its district's kids.
Yes, I get it. Unions are archaic because corporate and ownership greed is a thing of the past. HUH!?
I don't have to establish similar performance. I'm getting a qualified person for 35% of the cost. The beauty of the system is that the person making $120,000 would have to prove why they are worth 300% as much as someone who would take the job for $40,000. So, you prove to me why I should pay a teacher 300% more? They all have certification by NYS to teach in their respective fields.
In fact, in theory I could hire three $40k teachers to teach class sizes that were 1/3 of what they are for the teacher being paid $120k at the same rough costs. The Sachem Superintendent even admitted a few weeks ago that the younger teachers are more qualified to teach students today then teachers that graduated years ago. Less pay, and more production? I did graduate in the bottom half of my HS class, but that sounds like a good deal to me.
Unions have gone from being part of the solution to being part of the problem. Why should a community support what has become a Baby Boomer special interest group of blue collar workers? Why should all of the people who travel into the city every day pay someone $40/hour for someone to click their tickets when someone else would gladly take that job for $12/hour? Why should a community pay $120,000 to a teacher when a comparable teacher can be compensated $40,000 with similar results? The private sector of Long Island doesn't owe the unionized blue collar workers anything more than the market would demand.
Unions are an archaic system that needs to be disposed of, because the environment that it was designed to serve no longer exists. America would benefit by sending unions to the same footnote in history that is reserved for feudal society, arranged marriages, monarchies, and slavery.
Sure.
We can bank on the top 2% for a fair wage, a 40 hour work week, workforce safety and medical benefits.
Only a Millionaire or a Moron could believe that.Unions are the only Checks and Balances the working class has left.
This is the tail end of Bonzos Union busting.Theyll be back in favor again.
We can bank on the top 2% for a fair wage, a 40 hour work week, workforce safety and medical benefits.
Only a Millionaire or a Moron could believe that.
Got Greed?
Crooks
It depends on what you think a fair wage is. I think a fair wage is the lowest wage that a qualified person is willing to accept. You wouldn't walk down to your local deli and pay $25 for a gallon of milk that he/she has listed for $4. Would you? Imagine what your reaction would be if you went down to McDonalds and your #3 with medium fries and a drink was $37.50, because they unionized. You would scurry yourself over to Burger King just as fast as you could.
You probably consider a fair wage to be a "working wage" or a "liveable wage," which is a wage that someone can live a reasonable life on. This type of thinking never leads to a higher quality of life for the middle class. It just leads to inflated costs and an inevitable breakdown in society. Communism is built off of this principal. That each person should make a liveable wage, well it just doesn't work in reality. Your ideology is strong on paper, but it's a lead zeppelin.
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And why do you just get to make stuff up.
