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I am not using south shore Nassau as an insult but rather a means to identify the prevalent variant of LI accent in that area. The article I cited earlier indicates that someone living in Great Neck is more likely to have a LI accent which is tempered by the linguistic sounds of the earlier immigrants to that area, while those in Massapequa might have more in common with Brooklyn.
I was raised on the South Shore of Nassau. Yes, my accent is south shore Nassau, mellowed a bit as I am not speaking nor interacting with south shore friends on a regular basis.
You continue to use "LI Accent" yes, it is a LI accent -- I don't deny that. The LI accent has variations based around what was once the prevalent group which settled in the area -- case in point Brooklyn Italians in Massapequa.
Yes, you've indicated that people move around -- and I am living proof of that. However, they don't move in herds or packs. A few here, a few there. I can tick off a number of MHS & PHS grads in my immediate area, but there aren't enough of us here to affect a change in the local speech patterns. Only when larger populations move into an area will a shift gradually take place.
Yes, I agree with this. I never stated that there are LIers devoid of the LI accent (save for those who moved here as adults from elsewhere outside of NY.) My point is that the accent varies as one moves across LI. How would you account for the Bonac accent on Eastern LI?
the "Brooklyn Italians" (and other ethnic groups) moved all over the region. Perhaps there wasn't a mass migration to Kings Point/Locust Valley, but it certainly wasn't limited to South Shore Nassau.
the "Brooklyn Italians" (and other ethnic groups) moved all over the region. Perhaps there wasn't a mass migration to Kings Point/Locust Valley, but it certainly wasn't limited to South Shore Nassau.
I agree. "Brooklyn Italian", "Brooklyn German, Irish, Polish", too?. This is getting silly. I'll add that there really is no difference between the avg person's Long Island accent in places like: New Hyde Park, Massapequa, Mineola, Williston Park, Levittown, Lindenhurst, Smithtown, Terryville, Miller Place, Deer Park, Hicksville, etc etc, 90% of LI..
the "Brooklyn Italians" (and other ethnic groups) moved all over the region. Perhaps there wasn't a mass migration to Kings Point/Locust Valley, but it certainly wasn't limited to South Shore Nassau.
Populations move, and I agreed with that earlier. However they don't shift significantly to change the degree of accent in a community overnight. If a linguist, perhaps Marie K Huffman from my earlier article, wanted to study a Nassau accent of Brooklyn roots -- would she go to Bayport to find it; or would she go to an area where, historically, it has been most prevalent?
Wherever there were higher concentrations of one ethnic group moving to LI from NYC, one finds that group's phonetic qualities more prevalent. From the article I posted earlier:
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There are at least four different strands of New York-area accents, broadly defined by tribe: Italian, Jewish, Irish and Hispanic (the latecomer to this dialectal stew)
If I go into a predominantly Hispanic community on LI, will I hear the exact same accent as I would in Massapequa, Seaford or Wantagh?
If I head into Wyandanch, would I hear the exact same accent as M, S or W?
If I head into Great Neck, would I hear the exact same accent as M, S or W?
No. As stated earlier, we fall under the group known as LI Accent, but within that group there are subsets -- such as the Bonacs.
FWIW the dropped R's that is a common thing across LI dates back to pre-Revolutionary LI.
I agree. "Brooklyn Italian", "Brooklyn German, Irish, Polish", too?. This is getting silly. I'll add that there really is no difference between the avg person's Long Island accent in places like: New Hyde Park, Massapequa, Mineola, Williston Park, Levittown, Lindenhurst, Smithtown, Terryville, Miller Place, Deer Park, Hicksville, etc etc, 90% of LI..
Man you're sensitive and stop trying to drag Miller Place down to the Bronze(r) coast.Dude I'm seriously sorry about offering up the whole "North Shore Class, South Shore Trash" quote. I take it back, its not true but its like you get a facial tic at the mention of S Nassau Lawnguylandese. You know damn well that S Nassau is the butt of many bad LI stereotypes and you also know theyre not all true. Lighten up Francis. Everyone gets a turn in the barrel. We do too.
and stop with the OT. I've seen greater men banished for less.
I agree. "Brooklyn Italian", "Brooklyn German, Irish, Polish", too?. This is getting silly. I'll add that there really is no difference between the avg person's Long Island accent in places like: New Hyde Park, Massapequa, Mineola, Williston Park, Levittown, Lindenhurst, Smithtown, Terryville, Miller Place, Deer Park, Hicksville, etc etc, 90% of LI..
Great Neck, Mill Neck, Muttontown, Oyster Bay Cove, Upper Brookville, East Norwich, Lloyd Harbor & Neck, Huntington Bay, Centerport, Eatons Neck, Northport, Asharoken, Nissequoge -- to name only a few -- areas where the LI accent is mutated/a variant/different strain from the areas you've taken the time to list.
Brentwood, Wyandanch, Central Islip would make for another variant.
The linguists, not I, are the ones citing Brooklyn Italian. Perhaps you should take it up with them?
In 100 years we'll all be dust, the internet hopefully still intact, and this thread will still linger like the smell of old spilled milk in a hot car.
Populations move, and I agreed with that earlier. However they don't shift significantly to change the degree of accent in a community overnight. If a linguist, perhaps Marie K Huffman from my earlier article, wanted to study a Nassau accent of Brooklyn roots -- would she go to Bayport to find it; or would she go to an area where, historically, it has been most prevalent?
Wherever there were higher concentrations of one ethnic group moving to LI from NYC, one finds that group's phonetic qualities more prevalent. From the article I posted earlier:
If I go into a predominantly Hispanic community on LI, will I hear the exact same accent as I would in Massapequa, Seaford or Wantagh?
If I head into Wyandanch, would I hear the exact same accent as M, S or W?
If I head into Great Neck, would I hear the exact same accent as M, S or W?
No. As stated earlier, we fall under the group known as LI Accent, but within that group there are subsets -- such as the Bonacs.
FWIW the dropped R's that is a common thing across LI dates back to pre-Revolutionary LI.
as I said earlier, the thick LI accent you're referring to can be found in many places other than "South Shore Nassau". None of what you wrote refutes that. It would seem that census data (where did all those pesky Brooklyn Italians go!) would help your case more than an article from Newsday (a paper you've bashed on more than one occasion IIRC).
Man you're sensitive and stop trying to drag Miller Place down to the Bronze(r) coast.Dude I'm seriously sorry about offering up the whole "North Shore Class, South Shore Trash" quote. I take it back, its not true but its like you get a facial tic at the mention of S Nassau Lawnguylandese. You know damn well that S Nassau is the butt of many bad LI stereotypes and you also know theyre not all true. Lighten up Francis. Everyone gets a turn in the barrel. We do too.
and stop with the OT. I've seen greater men banished for less.
Crooks
You tell 'em Crooks! There's only room for ONE super-sensitive big baby on this board and everyone knows you cornered that market two screen names ago!
Man you're sensitive and stop trying to drag Miller Place down to the Bronze(r) coast.Dude I'm seriously sorry about offering up the whole "North Shore Class, South Shore Trash" quote. I take it back, its not true but its like you get a facial tic at the mention of S Nassau Lawnguylandese. You know damn well that S Nassau is the butt of many bad LI stereotypes and you also know theyre not all true. Lighten up Francis. Everyone gets a turn in the barrel. We do too.
and stop with the OT. I've seen greater men banished for less.
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@OBH, Brooklyn is Brooklyn anyway you cut it.
ps- bring back clamboy. He was more chill, less grumpy. I'm a little disappointed after reading that though. : (
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