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Old 03-17-2015, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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How much per month does that save you when the dust settles? I know the diff between OOMA and Optimum Voice might be close to $20, but then you will lose some package discount, right? Just wondering what the actual savings would be, both with Optimum and for Verizon.
Considering our Verizon landline phone bill hovered close to $40/month and we now pay around $5/mo,,thats at least $35/month..which over a year adds up quite a bit. OOma includes pretty much all the same features we had w Verizon voice and I like that we can check voice mail from the web and have it set up so that new messages go straight to your email account. Verizon didnt offer that technology. We dont use the landline except for sending/receiving faxes and nationwide calls. All our friends reach us through our cell phones anyway.
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Old 03-17-2015, 04:55 PM
 
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Considering our Verizon landline phone bill hovered close to $40/month and we now pay around $5/mo,,thats at least $35/month..which over a year adds up quite a bit. OOma includes pretty much all the same features we had w Verizon voice and I like that we can check voice mail from the web and have it set up so that new messages go straight to your email account. Verizon didnt offer that technology. We dont use the landline except for sending/receiving faxes and nationwide calls. All our friends reach us through our cell phones anyway.
When you refer to Verizon landline are you meaning the old analog copper landline? I was wanting to know how OOMA cost compares to getting your VOIP as part of the FIOS digital package. If you don't take the phone service via FIOS or Optimum Voice don't Verizon and Cablevision cut back on package discounts?

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Old 03-17-2015, 05:32 PM
 
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Considering our Verizon landline phone bill hovered close to $40/month and we now pay around $5/mo,,thats at least $35/month..which over a year adds up quite a bit. OOma includes pretty much all the same features we had w Verizon voice and I like that we can check voice mail from the web and have it set up so that new messages go straight to your email account. Verizon didnt offer that technology. We dont use the landline except for sending/receiving faxes and nationwide calls. All our friends reach us through our cell phones anyway.
When itemized it may appear as $40 (I am actually $30), but if you build your own bundle, phone only adds $15/mo.

And you can hear your VM on the web too.
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Old 03-17-2015, 05:42 PM
 
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When itemized it may appear as $40 (I am actually $30), but if you build your own bundle, phone only adds $15/mo.

And you can hear your VM on the web too.
That's what I was thinking, no way will you save $35.
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Old 03-17-2015, 07:12 PM
 
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I will let you know whether the connection is any different once I have the new router running in a couple of days.

Thanks.
Okay, new 50/50 router is up and running. Running the connection test on the PS4 (same test as my original post), with the router in the same location as the original, I am pleased that there is an increase in speed.


Download: 37.8 mbps (compared to usually 20-25 mbps with old router)
Upload: 5.4 mbps (compared to 2-4 mbps with old router)


Now for you techies, why is it that my upload is significantly slower than my download? TIA.
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Old 03-17-2015, 07:19 PM
 
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Just tested my MacBook using WiFi with the 50/50, tested at 58 Mbps download, 63 Mbps upload (used Speakeasy to test). Why is the upload so much slower on the PS4?
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Old 03-17-2015, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I just checked our Ooma bills and realized we actually pay $3.83 per month. (Tax/fees incl).

Yes by landline I meant the copper line..before we switched, we actually had a one of those old rotary phones on the kitchen wall, lol. You need to price it out for FIOS and Optimum Voice packages because when we looked to switch, we found that staying w Oomma and paying for just TV and internet was cheaper than doing a triple play package that would save us maybe $40 for 2 years but then we would have to switch plans and risk losing the rate we already had negotiated w Optimum for the Io package (which is no longer an option, we technically are still grandfathered under the old rate).
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Old 03-17-2015, 08:37 PM
 
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...Now for you techies, why is it that my upload is significantly slower than my download? TIA.
I'm not an engineer, but the way it was explained to me several years ago was that if you wanted to upload a digital signal back into the network it had to start out at higher voltage on the peaks than the voltage of the incoming (downloading) signal was by the time it arrived at your router. Ethernet operates at very low voltages and everything is very sensitive as to system design. The tiny wires have to be twisted just right to get cancelling effect, even the termination at the end plugs are very fussy, hence CAT4, CAT5, CAT6 standards etc. So, to prevent problems on the bidirectional cables the ISP's would limit upload speeds to minimize network degradation and give bandwidth priority to download packets.

The other reason was purely a practical one based on usage patterns. Most home users, at least in the early days of the WWW, were 99% downloaders. You sent a few bytes up to do a search or request a music file and a robust graphical screen or a big mp3 file would come back to you. So they optimized the network for downloading. Even today with all the Netflixing etc going on the volume of data being downloaded to homes is many times greater than what is being uploaded, so they throttle the upload speed.

But to some extent that picture is changing. In the early days you didn't have home users attempting to upload large video files to Youtube and Facebook or trying to store giant HD movies on clouds like Google Drive to share with friends; that really doesn't work that well. It's my understanding that in the early days pornography was the largest consumer of residential bandwidth, then it became pay-to-view apps and today it is social media. Gov't agencies and large companies rent T1 and T3 lines for thousands of dollars per month to build their infrastructure backbone and move a lot of data around the globe, but at costs prohibitive for the home user.

If you ever looked at ISP terms of service they have always prohibited running FTP sites from residential accounts, and your service will be terminated if caught. They just don't want you doing voluminous uploading from the home.

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Old 03-18-2015, 08:45 AM
 
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Just tested my MacBook using WiFi with the 50/50, tested at 58 Mbps download, 63 Mbps upload (used Speakeasy to test). Why is the upload so much slower on the PS4?
That settles it. Based on virtually identical numbers, Deeken I'm going to call you out and say you are actually provisioned for 50/50 rather than 35/35. It's possible since they don't even sell 35/35 anymore they could've just increased you. I still disbelieve people on 35/35 (on an old router no less) could get what 50/50 people get like you did.

Bkind - was the MacBook in the same area as the PS4? Maybe the PS4 wifi adapter is just optimized that way since uploading is largely unnecessary from such a device.

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Old 03-18-2015, 10:51 AM
 
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That settles it. Based on virtually identical numbers, Deeken I'm going to call you out and say you are actually provisioned for 50/50 rather than 35/35. It's possible since they don't even sell 35/35 anymore they could've just increased you. I still disbelieve people on 35/35 (on an old router no less) could get what 50/50 people get like you did.

Bkind - was the MacBook in the same area as the PS4? Maybe the PS4 wifi adapter is just optimized that way since uploading is largely unnecessary from such a device.
Good point. No, the PS4 is in our finished basement. The router is directly above it in our living room on the main floor. When I tested the Mac, I was in the same room as the router.

But...pleased with the speeds overall.

Thanks.
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