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Sagtikos won't work because the bridge has to go to Westchester County NY for two reasons: (1) the bridge is far too long between CT and LI, and (2) CT won't give consent, and its cooperation would be necessary for any bridge to CT.
Connecticut might want in on the project. But generally I agree. It needs to extend the Seaford Oyster Bay Expressway to the bottom end of 287, where it meets 95. I'd try to get the SOB redesigned as part of 287.
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Sagtikos won't work because the bridge has to go to Westchester County NY for two reasons: (1) the bridge is far too long between CT and LI, and (2) CT won't give consent, and its cooperation would be necessary for any bridge to CT.
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I think too many people have played Sim City and think random bridges all over for convenience are normal. 30+ pages and I have to read 1 legitimate industry that needs this road. There's plenty of speculation of how it could lead to... but do you really think an industry is going to move in with all the regulations, restrictions and costs that posters so frequently mention? Do people want al those "other people" coming in to "your beaches"?
There's never going to be a bridge or tunnel. That ship sailed 70+ years ago. It had to be built before or not long after WWII, and before the nimbys consolidated forces.
Not that I wouldn't like to see it. LI is geographically disadvantaged and always will be.
I think too many people have played Sim City and think random bridges all over for convenience are normal. 30+ pages and I have to read 1 legitimate industry that needs this road. There's plenty of speculation of how it could lead to... but do you really think an industry is going to move in with all the regulations, restrictions and costs that posters so frequently mention? Do people want al those "other people" coming in to "your beaches"?
I run/participate in several events. I'm also involved with several organizations that host events. I wouldn't call it an "industry" per se, but between these various niche groups there are a lot of people and a lot of events.
Getting someone -even the most active people who participate in every event they can find- to come to Long Island is next to impossible. Traffic is a big part. Fear of "driving through the city" is another. Those I know who have done it once make every effort to avoid doing it again. Related events in nearby PA, CT, NJ, MA, NH are packed with participants from all over the northeast. Participants drive for hours to get there... but they don't want to come to LI. It's not the distance, it's the sheer impossibility of getting on and off this island.
A bridge from 287 to 135 would absolutely solve the problem for these people. It's not speculation. It's fact.
Using the groups and events I deal with as a sampling, I have to believe the same hold true for other groups and activities.
As Long Islanders, we are forced to travel to other states to participate. This isn't so bad because we are used to the traffic. A better way off (and back on) this island would be a very welcome addition.
As another poster noted "LI is geographically disadvantaged." A better way on/off that doesn't involved one of the worst bottle-necks in the country would help to alleviate that.
The reason it will never happen is all politics. Not because it isn't needed. Not because it isn't a good idea.
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I run/participate in several events. I'm also involved with several organizations that host events. I wouldn't call it an "industry" per se, but between these various niche groups there are a lot of people and a lot of events.
Getting someone -even the most active people who participate in every event they can find- to come to Long Island is next to impossible. Traffic is a big part. Fear of "driving through the city" is another. Those I know who have done it once make every effort to avoid doing it again. Related events in nearby PA, CT, NJ, MA, NH are packed with participants from all over the northeast. Participants drive for hours to get there... but they don't want to come to LI. It's not the distance, it's the sheer impossibility of getting on and off this island.
A bridge from 287 to 135 would absolutely solve the problem for these people. It's not speculation. It's fact.
Using the groups and events I deal with as a sampling, I have to believe the same hold true for other groups and activities.
As Long Islanders, we are forced to travel to other states to participate. This isn't so bad because we are used to the traffic. A better way off (and back on) this island would be a very welcome addition.
As another poster noted "LI is geographically disadvantaged." A better way on/off that doesn't involved one of the worst bottle-necks in the country would help to alleviate that.
The reason it will never happen is all politics. Not because it isn't needed. Not because it isn't a good idea.
I think there are any number of localities that have their travel challenges even those on the mainland. But even you can't give a reason beyond event attendance or a group activities, that a pretty significant investment on par with The Big Dig in Boston for what convenience to the Fall Pumpkin Festival, its not worth it. Even if someone was stupid enough to fund this the legal battle would stretch into the next century.
People need to decide if frequent regular access is a priority for them if so then they need to reevaluate where they live. I think people in the NYC region in general wish their was an easy way to get past this giant obstacle.
I think there are any number of localities that have their travel challenges even those on the mainland.
Very few, if any, compare to an Island that has limited access points and requires travel through one of the largest and most densely populated cities in the country. Long Island is a unique situation.
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But even you can't give a reason beyond event attendance or a group activities, that a pretty significant investment on par with The Big Dig in Boston for what convenience to the Fall Pumpkin Festival, its not worth it.
You are looking for a reason that no one can give. There is not one, simple reason to be had. "If you build it, MegaCorp will move their world HQ here and create 100,000 jobs!" doesn't exist. It doesn't exist anywhere. The fact remains that people on LI are essentially trapped and people not on LI avoid coming here because of the bottleneck that is NYC roads. It's thousands of small things that add up to the need for better access on/off LI. This also affects both cost and availability of goods shipped in from other areas.
A few years back there was (unrealistic) talk of building a NASCAR track in eastern LI. I won't debate whether or not that idea has merit (not the point). The thing is that such an idea is a complete non-starter because of the access problem.
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Even if someone was stupid enough to fund this the legal battle would stretch into the next century.
Completely different point, and one on which we agree. It is a 100% political issue.
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People need to decide if frequent regular access is a priority for them if so then they need to reevaluate where they live. I think people in the NYC region in general wish their was an easy way to get past this giant obstacle.
There's an idea. Everyone should move. Why haven't the 8 million or so of us thought of that?
That move would be so much easier if we didn't have to sit on the Cross-Bronx Expressway to go 10 miles in 2 hours. Nothing wrong with wanting to improve your home. Running away isn't always a good solution.
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