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There are a number of companies we do business with where their employees have intentionally taken unemployment as it pays more.
Incredibly short-sided. These small businesses will not be bringing them back onboard when this thing passes as they feel their employees bailed on them when the going got tough. And across the board, across the economy many jobs which were here pre-COVID will not be here when everything settles. Many people getting their jobs back assumes a strong economy with spending power as we had. It will not be that way for a couple years. The spending power and number of customers/clients will be lower than it was for awhile and will decrease revenue for most businesses. Therefor they will slowly increase payroll while taking creative measure to survive and get back on their feet.
And the 600/month unemployment injection beyond the norm from the government will dry up. Many will be in an even worse financial situation come July/Aug.
Some people taking advantage of this situation is leaving a bad taste in the mouths of many. I have an employee out of work taking care of her children because the school district is closed. We're paying 2/3 of her salary and have for weeks. But she's acting like she's on vacation, can barely get a hold of her and her mindset is essentially that we owe her this extended, indefinite vacation. Not even lifting a finger to help those of us doing 2X our normal work to get thru this. I might fire her in the coming weeks. I can't see myself bringing someone back on who has basically given the company a middle finger.
We've had multiple employees as other have, who immediately as soon as this virus hit began thinking, how can I get out of work and still get paid. Their first thought was to take advantage of the situation. They don't realize everyone else has to double their workload while taking on the risk of getting infected. And they think we'll welcome them back with open arms?
You immediately see in situations like this, who is going to strap up the boots and who sees themselves as victims who want to take advantage.
Some people taking advantage of this situation is leaving a bad taste in the mouths of many. I have an employee out of work taking care of her children because the school district is closed. We're paying 2/3 of her salary and have for weeks. But she's acting like she's on vacation, can barely get a hold of her and her mindset is essentially that we owe her this extended, indefinite vacation. Not even lifting a finger to help those of us doing 2X our normal work to get thru this. I might fire her in the coming weeks. I can't see myself bringing someone back on who has basically given the company a middle finger.
We've had multiple employees as other have, who immediately as soon as this virus hit began thinking, how can I get out of work and still get paid. Their first thought was to take advantage of the situation. They don't realize everyone else has to double their workload while taking on the risk of getting infected. And they think we'll welcome them back with open arms?
You immediately see in situations like this, who is going to strap up the boots and who sees themselves as victims who want to take advantage.
There are a number of companies we do business with where their employees have intentionally taken unemployment as it pays more.
Incredibly short-sided. These small businesses will not be bringing them back onboard when this thing passes as they feel their employees bailed on them when the going got tough. And across the board, across the economy many jobs which were here pre-COVID will not be here when everything settles. Many people getting their jobs back assumes a strong economy with spending power as we had. It will not be that way for a couple years. The spending power and number of customers/clients will be lower than it was for awhile and will decrease revenue for most businesses. Therefor they will slowly increase payroll while taking creative measure to survive and get back on their feet.
And the 600/month unemployment injection beyond the norm from the government will dry up. Many will be in an even worse financial situation come July/Aug.
Some people taking advantage of this situation is leaving a bad taste in the mouths of many. I have an employee out of work taking care of her children because the school district is closed. We're paying 2/3 of her salary and have for weeks. But she's acting like she's on vacation, can barely get a hold of her and her mindset is essentially that we owe her this extended, indefinite vacation. Not even lifting a finger to help those of us doing 2X our normal work to get thru this. I might fire her in the coming weeks. I can't see myself bringing someone back on who has basically given the company a middle finger.
We've had multiple employees as other have, who immediately as soon as this virus hit began thinking, how can I get out of work and still get paid. Their first thought was to take advantage of the situation. They don't realize everyone else has to double their workload while taking on the risk of getting infected. And they think we'll welcome them back with open arms?
You immediately see in situations like this, who is going to strap up the boots and who sees themselves as victims who want to take advantage.
Huh, that is part of what stimulus is. You get "extra." Smart employers are TELLLING people to take the unemployment. As Trump would say about bankruptcy, "it's SMART!!" The point is shared sacrifice. In most furloughs, the employer is paying medical while the Fed (again that word STIMULUS) is covering wages in the interim. Hopefully this keeps more businesses solvent and they actually can re-open and retain their workers (and in the case of schools and such, everything is contractual...if we break contracts (and we cannot legally) WE WILL PAY MORE...and also re-onboarding staff is costly. Most are playing this as an interruption, not an ending and are looking to re-open as soon as they can. It's not rocket science. It's just supplemental income. We give it to GE and Amazon and Green Acres Mall all the time. We're propping up a big oil glut right now. We can probably survive giving some of that play money to actual workers for a change. Yeah, teachers are coddled, entitled wienies. We all know that (except like 2 of us, lol), but enrollments won't change. Schools will re-open. Rehiring a raft of teachers isn't going to happen without a constitutional convention. Basically, the new normal will still resemble the old normal a lot. Which is a pity. Some teachers will milk it, some are kicking ass and innovating. It is what it is. Hopefully crisis reveals the good ones and exposes the chumps.
Why are otherwise intelligent people ok w/ selective socialism to the wealthy and corporations, but get their knickers in a twist whenever actual working class shmoes get a break?! Do you think we DIDN'T pay the taxes that pays for ALL of it?!?!
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Huh, that is part of what stimulus is. You get "extra." Smart employers are TELLLING people to take the unemployment.
That's only if you're deemed non essential. We are essential and still working. So no, asking employees to stop working and collect unemployment would defeat the purpose of working as an essential business.
We've had a number of employees fake getting the virus so they get the 10 emergency paid sick leave days. We've had two who did choose to go on unemployment even though again, we're essential and need them. They simply prefer collecting while throwing back a few beers. Even if it's less than what we pay them they get a sizable chunk of their normal pay to stay home and do nothing.
This has little to do with a taxpayer backed stimulus which our tax payments already cover so hey, the working class guy gets his break.
This is more about able-bodied, healthy individuals milking the current crisis and screwing their employers.
I work with a number of essential businesses who pay their employees well and need them, and many employees have simple chosen on their own accord to collect and not work. And across the board they are not going to rehire those employees.
Short-sided indeed.
If I ran a restaurant then having my employees collect unemployment makes a lot of sense for both parties. Or retail.
That's only if you're deemed non essential. We are essential and still working. So no, asking employees to stop working and collect unemployment would defeat the purpose of working as an essential business.
We've had a number of employees fake getting the virus so they get the 10 emergency paid sick leave days. We've had two who did choose to go on unemployment even though again, we're essential and need them. They simply prefer collecting while throwing back a few beers. Even if it's less than what we pay them they get a sizable chunk of their normal pay to stay home and do nothing.
This has little to do with a taxpayer backed stimulus which our tax payments already cover so hey, the working class guy gets his break.
This is more about able-bodied, healthy individuals milking the current crisis and screwing their employers.
I work with a number of essential businesses who pay their employees well and need them, and many employees have simple chosen on their own accord to collect and not work. And across the board they are not going to rehire those employees.
Short-sided indeed.
If I ran a restaurant then having my employees collect unemployment makes a lot of sense for both parties. Or retail.
That's only if you're deemed non essential. We are essential and still working. So no, asking employees to stop working and collect unemployment would defeat the purpose of working as an essential business.
We've had a number of employees fake getting the virus so they get the 10 emergency paid sick leave days. We've had two who did choose to go on unemployment even though again, we're essential and need them. They simply prefer collecting while throwing back a few beers. Even if it's less than what we pay them they get a sizable chunk of their normal pay to stay home and do nothing.
This has little to do with a taxpayer backed stimulus which our tax payments already cover so hey, the working class guy gets his break.
This is more about able-bodied, healthy individuals milking the current crisis and screwing their employers.
I work with a number of essential businesses who pay their employees well and need them, and many employees have simple chosen on their own accord to collect and not work. And across the board they are not going to rehire those employees.
Short-sided indeed.
If I ran a restaurant then having my employees collect unemployment makes a lot of sense for both parties. Or retail.
So none of this really has to do with unemployment or forced furloughs. Just some lazy sods (or fearful) who choose not to work. Sounds like natural employment selection and their jobs will be refilled sooner than later. I can't really speak about people who would throw away their livelihood for a few months of unemployment, but that's their business. That is the problem with govt stimulus. It rains broadly, cannot target it so well. Some will always milk the system. I worry more about the ones milking it for billions over the ones bilking it for hundreds.
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