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I had thought it was obvious by now that testing establishes who is infected and should be considered contagious. Those individuals then have the responsibility to isolate themselves so as not to spread the virus and their contacts can be traced. Most people in that situation do so thus slowing the overall spread of the disease.
I'm interested in how one comes to believe we are anxious from "being fed a constant diet of fear." Is that something you have concluded from your own experiences or something being told to you on social media or elsewhere?
You do realize that testing happens after the fact for the majority of people who are contagious, so you really haven’t reached your goal. Testing would have to be implemented in a very different way to catch people before they become contagious to be effective.
I’m more interested in how one doesn’t realize they’re being fed a constant diet of fear by the media, but a lot of how I came to my conclusion is by listening to what people say and what they quote. My wife is also on calls dealing with reopening of her international Fortune 500 employer as she’s part of the team for dealing with it. And I hear a lot of bad information being repeated and headlines being quoted that if they had read the article and done a little thinking and research would realize the headline was click bait by major media.
My next door neighbor had it, tested after he recovered, but his wife’s test came back all negative, and we’ve seen this pattern before. So that raises questions about how it’s spreading to who. My 86 year old dad lives right next to a hot spot (med care facility) where there was a daily body count for weeks, but it was isolated to that building and didn’t get into the surrounding neighborhood, but we were getting calls from friends and neighbors outside the area worried that it was widespread as they just heard a death count in our neighborhood.
An example of people who have been a diet of fear. Their reaction to an unmasked person likely resulted in more spit getting into the air than if they had just kept quiet. https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/sta...21468761481216
I’m more interested in how one doesn’t realize they’re being fed a constant diet of fear by the media, but a lot of how I came to my conclusion is by listening to what people say and what they quote.
This is a picture of the New York Times headline on Sunday, May 24, 2020. This isn't fear-mongering? It preceded three or so pages of single-print listing of approximately 98,000 Covid deaths. There were no adjustments for co-morbidity. Or listing of the far greater number of asymptomatic or recovered people.
An example of people who have been a diet of fear. Their reaction to an unmasked person likely resulted in more spit getting into the air than if they had just kept quiet. https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/sta...21468761481216
Staten Island went for Trump last election and not by a close margin either. So unless you want to argue that most of the people in that video were Clinton voters or have TDS, not sure that's the best example for "diet of fear."
This is a picture of the New York Times headline on Sunday, May 24, 2020. This isn't fear-mongering? It preceded three or so pages of single-print listing of approximately 98,000 Covid deaths. There were no adjustments for co-morbidity. Or listing of the far greater number of asymptomatic or recovered people.
It is not fear-mongering. They just forgot (and keep forgetting) to run something similar for cancer, heart attacks, strokes, pneumonia, seasonal flu, diabetes, …
(It seems that the folks who claim the legacy press is not fear-mongering this particular virus had very very little to say on TV this weekend regarding this front page article display.)
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Sweden has clearly NOT "fared better so far." No matter how many time you repeat such statements they do not get more credible. You need to stop listening to whatever source is feeding you such "information." Bolding of irrelevancies does nothing to change the facts. Sweden's death rate from COVID-19 is seven times that of neighboring Finland and has gained no economic advantage from it.
Your second citation should be all you need to understand that.
I gave you results, all you have given are projections. Maybe those projections will pan out but as of today, Sweden's economy has retracted far less than average EU. You should know (and i suspect you do) that it is not so straightforward to compare stats across countries. Sweden's death rate is also less than UK and many others. Also, death rate is not the same as mortality rate.
It is not fear-mongering. They just forgot (and keep forgetting) to run something similar for cancer, heart attacks, strokes, pneumonia, seasonal flu, diabetes, …
(It seems that the folks who claim the legacy press is not fear-mongering this particular virus had very very little to say on TV this weekend regarding this front page article display.)
So pointless to try to refute the troll poster claims, but all of those other maladies you like to compare to are already baked into the economy. Why 32m unemployed but Wall St is soaring. Seasonal flu and strokes are not NEWS, nor are they NEW. COVID is both NEW and NEWS and you superstars can roll your eyes at 100k dead but well...that's on you, I guess. NONE of covid was factored into any of our broken systems you apparently cared less than zero about before March 2020. But now you're all certified urban planners, epidemiologists, infectious disease tracing specialists, economists, employment specialists, futurists, space planners and top notch cut and pasters of bunk. THAT seems to be the new normal. Like our President. You got $10 month for wifi? You too, can be an expert on all things. When proven moronic, just switch screen names. America in 2020!
News Flash: I trust the NY Times way more than the half-wit Murray/King voters on LI and the same 4-5 recurring whiners on here.
So pointless to try to refute the troll poster claims, but all of those other maladies you like to compare to are already baked into the economy. Why 32m unemployed but Wall St is soaring. Seasonal flu and strokes are not NEWS, nor are they NEW. COVID is both NEW and NEWS and you superstars can roll your eyes at 100k dead but well...that's on you, I guess. NONE of covid was factored into any of our broken systems you apparently cared less than zero about before March 2020. But now you're a certified urban planner, epidemiologist, infectious disease tracing specialist, economist, employment specialist, futurist, space planner and top notch cut and paster of bunk. THAT seems to be the new normal. Like our President. You got $10 month for wifi? You too, can be an expert on all things.
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day
And yet not a single blip in employment nor the stock market due to this...
To your point, this was all factored in. COVID-19 will now need to be factored in for the long term.
Yes. Ultimately it will. A draconian herd immunity would be fastest except it's not politically feasible and it didn't work as well in Sweden (as originally reported). So slow and steady continues to be the way to success. Or flock to the beach and sneeze in each other's faces. Either one.
I usually BBQ for 60+ yesterday (it's also my Bday). I bbq'd for 3. Still a fine day. I haven't found cause to ***** and moan about it. I'm grateful to have food and be alive. Some aren't so fortunate on either count. But I know, flu, car wrecks, failed parachute openings. Why doesn't the NY Times talk about "thhooossseee?" What's another 100k unplanned deaths and myriad hospitalizations?! I'm wondering, during WWII if asked to wear a mask, would we have picked up rifles and said "screw yew, man, don't tread on me!"...to our NEIGHBORS!?!?"
So pointless to try to refute the troll poster claims, but all of those other maladies you like to compare to are already baked into the economy. Why 32m unemployed but Wall St is soaring.
The stock market is a leading, not lagging indicator. It began plunging a month or so before the lockdowns.
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Seasonal flu and strokes are not NEWS, nor are they NEW. COVID is both NEW and NEWS and you superstars can roll your eyes at 100k dead but well...that's on you, I guess. NONE of covid was factored into any of our broken systems you apparently cared less than zero about before March 2020.
So what? The point is that Covid-19 is being shamelessly politicized and sensationalized.
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But now you're all certified urban planners, epidemiologists, infectious disease tracing specialists, economists, employment specialists, futurists, space planners and top notch cut and pasters of bunk. THAT seems to be the new normal. Like our President. You got $10 month for wifi? You too, can be an expert on all things. When proven moronic, just switch screen names. America in 2020!
News Flash: I trust the NY Times way more than the half-wit Murray/King voters on LI and the same 4-5 recurring whiners on here.
I have liked the New York Times. It has sunk to new lows.
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Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day
And yet not a single blip in employment nor the stock market due to this...
To your point, this was all factored in. COVID-19 will now need to be factored in for the long term.
Yes. Ultimately it will. A draconian herd immunity would be fastest except it's not politically feasible and it didn't work as well in Sweden (as originally reported). So slow and steady continues to be the way to success. Or flock to the beach and sneeze in each other's faces. Either one.
The "herd immunity" approach becomes less draconian and more politically feasible by comparison once the costs of the lockdown hits. The states are having "website problems" with their unemployment benefits portal. I am sure some of this is deliberate since the states simply cannot afford the promised benefits. Or for that matter the costs of paying idle government workers, or other expenses increased by the response to the pandemic. The political costs of the lockdown might in short be quite severe.
Smoking is to my mind a major risk factor for Covid-19 and conventional influenza, as well as many other deaths.
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I usually BBQ for 60+ yesterday (it's also my Bday). I bbq'd for 3. Still a fine day. I haven't found cause to ***** and moan about it. I'm grateful to have food and be alive. Some aren't so fortunate on either count. But I know, flu, car wrecks, failed parachute openings. Why doesn't the NY Times talk about "thhooossseee?" What's another 100k unplanned deaths and myriad hospitalizations?! I'm wondering, during WWII if asked to wear a mask, would we have picked up rifles and said "screw yew, man, don't tread on me!"...to our NEIGHBORS!?!?"
While I am a Covid skeptic, I rely think that gunplay in connection with opposition to the draconian lockdowns is unacceptable.
(It seems that the folks who claim the legacy press is not fear-mongering this particular virus had very very little to say on TV this weekend regarding this front page article display.)
Display in an apt term. I call it pornography under the guise of journalism. It is extremely irresponsible.
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