5 ways Los Angeles County’s population is changing (house, statistics)

[Astral_Weeks]

Originally Posted by MordinSolus

The reality is that Hispanics will typically work for much lower wages so areas with large Hispanic populations, like Los Angeles county, have depressed wages. When Hispanics start getting paid more it will increase wages in the entire area.

You mean Hispanic immigrants/newcomers will work for low wages. Second generation Latinos do not and will not. They are like the rest of us..

[Astral_Weeks]

Originally Posted by nightlysparrow

This logic is flawed. If they do poorly, they will move away to cities or states they can economically afford and where education is not a priority.

I hear what you are saying and I agree up to a point. However, the public education in large swaths of LA County is sub-par. We need to do better for many reasons one of which is increased economic productivity and living standards for all, etc. Of course, LA County is not alone in having sub-par K to 12 public education, it is a problem nationwide. But it is an area we could and should do better.

[MordinSolus]

Originally Posted by John_marts

Ha yea.

I find it funny how many people hate "illegals". Last I checked the USA was built up entirely from immigrants. Its like they are mad at Mexicans for stealing jobs and getting freebies when we did the same in the 1700's by stealing land from the native "americans".

This is a red herring argument. I'm not an immigrant. My parents, and grandparents, and great grandparents weren't immigrants. People need to stop saying "we're all immigrants" like natural-born Americans are the same as people who come here illegally.
Just because we're liberals doesn't mean we have to have to be bleeding hearts at the expense of common sense.

Originally Posted by SunnyDays123

I guarantee you that whoever winds up as POTUS will not be deporting anyone. Trump is merely playing into the fears of the crazies. The vast majority of Americans support a pathway to citizenship.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

Obama has been deporting illegal immigrants like it's going out of style. Compared to Bush he's a deportation fiend.

Originally Posted by volosong

No matter who sits in the Oval Office, this country will continue to have open borders. The Democrats like them because it enhances its voter base. The Republicans like them because they provide companies with inexpensive labor.

Only legal citizens can vote so open borders don't help either party get elected unless there's a massive round of legalization/naturalization, like Reagan made happen in the 80's. And it's not like Democrats aren't beholden to moneyed interests.

[SunnyDays123]

Originally Posted by MordinSolus

This is a red herring argument. I'm not an immigrant. My parents, and grandparents, and great grandparents weren't immigrants. People need to stop saying "we're all immigrants" like natural-born Americans are the same as people who come here illegally.
Just because we're liberals doesn't mean we have to have to be bleeding hearts at the expense of common sense.



Obama has been deporting illegal immigrants like it's going out of style. Compared to Bush he's a deportation fiend.



Only legal citizens can vote so open borders don't help either party get elected unless there's a massive round of legalization/naturalization, like Reagan made happen in the 80's. And it's not like Democrats aren't beholden to moneyed interests.

Obama manipulated the way they report deportations. His administration was reporting all the deportations of those caught at the border as part of the total. Other admins were only reporting deportations of people already living here. Obama has not been rounding up illegals established in this country.

[MordinSolus]

Originally Posted by SunnyDays123

Obama manipulated the way they report deportations. His administration was reporting all the deportations of those caught at the border as part of the total. Other admins were only reporting deportations of people already living here. Obama has not been rounding up illegals established in this country.

He has been. Detention facilities full of immigrants waiting for deportation are not filled with people detained at the border. These facilities exist all over the country and they're overflowing. He's increased the Border Patrol budget fairly substantially, but he's increased the ICE budget a lot more.

[bruhms]

Originally Posted by CALGUY

"While their growth has slowed in recent decades, Latinos will likely be the majority in Los Angeles County by 2020, experts say."

I respectfully disagree with this statement.
When the new administration takes office after the 2016 election, a strong deportation policy will be in effect, and many in the Hispanic community will be gone, and those remaining will be a low percentage compared to other ethnic groups.
As well, sanctuary cities in the state will be a thing of the past, which will also drive the Hispanic population from California, and that is the realistic look at the future of California, and Los Angeles in particular.

Bob.

True Hispanic statistics would look much better if illegals left and took their family members.

[Robsteel17]

Originally Posted by CALGUY

"While their growth has slowed in recent decades, Latinos will likely be the majority in Los Angeles County by 2020, experts say."

I respectfully disagree with this statement.
When the new administration takes office after the 2016 election, a strong deportation policy will be in effect, and many in the Hispanic community will be gone, and those remaining will be a low percentage compared to other ethnic groups.
As well, sanctuary cities in the state will be a thing of the past, which will also drive the Hispanic population from California, and that is the realistic look at the future of California, and Los Angeles in particular.

Bob.

The delusion is strong with this one.

The issue here is one of assimilation. As Hispanics become more established over generations, they tend to have better educational and economic outcomes. Same as previous groups of immigrants. However, those who don't value education or learning the language will put a strain on social services. It is a conundrum without easy answers.

Unfortunately facile answers like mass deportation are the only snake oil the current band of Republicans seem to be selling.

[CALGUY]

Originally Posted by Robsteel17

The delusion is strong with this one.

The issue here is one of assimilation. As Hispanics become more established over generations, they tend to have better educational and economic outcomes. Same as previous groups of immigrants. However, those who don't value education or learning the language will put a strain on social services. It is a conundrum without easy answers.

Unfortunately facile answers like mass deportation are the only snake oil the current band of Republicans seem to be selling.

What ever you want to call it, when the deportations start(and I believe they will), that will alter the demographics significantly.


Bob.

[Robsteel17]

Do you really believe the US government is about to sanction a modern day "Trail of Tears" back to Mexico? It simply won't happen. That requires the kind of delusion that would cause one to enter a voting booth and cast a ballot to put Donald Trump's finger on the nuclear button.

I'm shocked that no one from either party has said enough already and come up with a grand bargain on immigration. Build the border fence, reform process to streamline legal immigration for qualified applicants in fields that are in high demand, deport anyone here illegally with a criminal conviction, end sanctuary cities, citizenship for "dreamers" and for anyone who has been in the country longer than 7 years with no criminal history that are willing to engage in a public service program for a defined period of time as well as pay a fine and pass the citizenship exam, deport all others.

In that scenario both parties get to claim some victories while having to swallow some things they may not like. Of course, this would require leadership, which is sorely lacking on both sides of the aisle.

[UB50]

Originally Posted by CALGUY

"While their growth has slowed in recent decades, Latinos will likely be the majority in Los Angeles County by 2020, experts say."

I respectfully disagree with this statement.
When the new administration takes office after the 2016 election, a strong deportation policy will be in effect, and many in the Hispanic community will be gone, and those remaining will be a low percentage compared to other ethnic groups.
As well, sanctuary cities in the state will be a thing of the past, which will also drive the Hispanic population from California, and that is the realistic look at the future of California, and Los Angeles in particular.

Bob.

California (the whole state) has under 3 million illegals -- and 40% of those are not from Mexico. The total state population is 38 million, so you do the math. Most of the Hispanics here in Socal are legal.