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Old 05-03-2016, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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You are really not good with this whole concept of thinking outside very narrowly-construed constraints, are you? But sure, I'll play along. No, they won't all be. But there's more of a chance. How much new single-family construction do you think there is in EP?Be that as it may, there are plenty of neighborhoods within the greater Los Angeles that do have walkable "downtowns": Santa Monica (not ONE single-family home within blocks of said downtown), Venice (a few, but still not many), Manhattan Beach (even there, with all the beachfront homes which I can promise you most millennials can't come near affording, there are plenty of apartment buildings), Mid-Wilshire, Koreatown, Westwood, even Glendale, Burbank and Pasadena...I can go on, but I think I've made my point.And..?I'm not even going to bother arguing this point. It's just wrong. Even if it's wrong by a couple of blocks, it's still wrong.See above.
There are many existing single family homes in Echo Park...who is talking only about NEW in L.A?
Are there really that many NEW apartment units in Echo Park or any other part of the city?

There are tons of single family in those areas that you mentioned..maybe you just don't know those areas too well?
The article said "millennials WANT to live in apartments" and I was just stating that it's not that they want to , but rather that they can't afford single family.
Also even for those living in apartments how many are really walking places the majority of the time, they are likely driving around just like the single family home dwellers in L.A
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Old 05-03-2016, 03:29 PM
 
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Well no. That's the point I was trying to make.
I know, I'm with ya.
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Old 05-03-2016, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Your sarcasm is misplaced and contradictory. If you truly believe millennials would prefer single family homes (of which you offer no evidence, just an opinion), cities aren't where the majority of them are found.
Quick Facts: Resident Demographics | nmhc.org

Actually that's not correct ... Seems to be based more on your perception of what a city " should" be like .. Apartments are a minority of housing in Los Angeles and in many other cities ..except for NYC where it's 51% apartments . In LA it's 41% , it's lower for many other large cities if you look at the link above .
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Old 05-03-2016, 03:33 PM
 
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There are many existing single family homes in Echo Park...who is talking only about NEW in L.A?
Are there really that many NEW apartment units in Echo Park or any other part of the city?
Correction, I should have said newER. On average, apartment buildings in EP, much like in any other neighborhood, are going to be newer than houses.
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There are tons of single family in those areas that you mentioned..maybe you just don't know those areas too well?
You really don't have very good comprehension skills, do you? Did I say there weren't any single family homes in that area? Did I even say there weren't many of them? I did not. What I did say,had you bothered reading, was that precious few of them are within walking distance of grocery stores, restaurants and other "city center" establishments.
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Also even for those living in apartments how many are really walking places the majority of the time, they are likely driving around just like the single family home dwellers in L.A
Again, irrelevant. The original premise was:

Millennials want to live in urban areas.
Urban areas =|= single family homes, for the most part.
Urban areas = apartments/condos, for the most part.
Ipso facto, millennials want to live in apartments/condos rather than single family homes, supported by actual statistics.

That's it.
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Old 05-03-2016, 03:37 PM
 
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Quick Facts: Resident Demographics | nmhc.org

Actually that's not correct ... Seems to be based more on your perception of what a city " should" be like .. Apartments are a minority of housing in Los Angeles and in many other cities ..except for NYC where it's 51% apartments . In LA it's 41% , it's lower for many other large cities if you look at the link above .
What does this tell me? That L.A. is full of suburban areas full of single-family homes? Thanks, Cap.

What this DOES tell me, however, is that of the major metropolitan areas, L.A. has one of the HIGHEST concentrations of apartments. NYC is an aberration thanks to Manhattan and the fact that it has few, if any, single-family homes. The only non-outlier higher than L.A. is Washington D.C. by a WHOPPING one percent. Meanwhile, L.A. is an aberration in and of itself due to its enormous suburban sprawl. And yet...

Let's look at this further. Discounting D.C., which is a city, not a state, California (the state with the highest number of occupied housing units) has the highest concentration of apartments of any state bar New York.

I make a good living working with statistics for a living, my friend, try harder.
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Old 05-03-2016, 03:39 PM
 
Location: TORRANCE
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Does home ownership rate = desire to own a home?



Location, location, location: Global house prices | The Economist

Look at the long term price versus rent chart (ownership increasingly less affordable than renting) as well as price versus income (affordability).
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Old 05-03-2016, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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How long have you been in LA? Do you actually live here ?

you said cities weren't were a majority of single family homes were and you were wrong .

It's just not true that " precious few " of the single family homes in those area are far from grocery stores , restaurants and other " city center " establishments .

Your insults do not make you correct, sorry
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Old 05-03-2016, 03:51 PM
 
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How long have you been in LA? Do you actually live here ?
I lived in L.A. for 14 years, 1996-2010 and visit multiple times a year. My parents live in L.A.; any other questions I can answer for you?
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you said cities weren't were a majority of single family homes were and you were wrong .
No, I said urban environments weren't a majority of single-family homes.
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It's just not true that " precious few " of the single family homes in those area are far from grocery stores , restaurants and other " city center " establishments .
No, it really isn't true that few homes are far, you're right. Quite the opposite: most of them are far (rather, farther), in comparison to apartments/condos.
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Your insults do not make you correct, sorry
They aren't insults, they are conclusions based on observations.
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Old 05-03-2016, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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You sound like a pleasant guy

You started this with

"Your sarcasm is misplaced and contradictory. If you truly believe millennials would prefer single family homes (of which you offer no evidence, just an opinion), cities aren't where the majority of them are found.
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Not sure why you took offense to my post , do you know the article writer or something ?
Also you stated cities aren't where the majority of single family homes are found and you were wrong .
So insulting and wrong, not a good look .
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Old 05-03-2016, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Earth
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You are really not good with this whole concept of thinking outside very narrowly-construed constraints, are you? But sure, I'll play along. No, they won't all be. But there's more of a chance. How much new single-family construction do you think there is in EP?Be that as it may, there are plenty of neighborhoods within the greater Los Angeles that do have walkable "downtowns": Santa Monica (not ONE single-family home within blocks of said downtown), Venice (a few, but still not many), Manhattan Beach (even there, with all the beachfront homes which I can promise you most millennials can't come near affording, there are plenty of apartment buildings), Mid-Wilshire, Koreatown, Westwood, even Glendale, Burbank and Pasadena...I can go on, but I think I've made my point.And..?I'm not even going to bother arguing this point. It's just wrong. Even if it's wrong by a couple of blocks, it's still wrong.See above.
Santa Monica has single family homes within blocks of its downtown. Not many, and none to the south (until you get south of Pico), but it's false to say "not ONE single family home".

80 percent of the city of L.A. is zoned R1, so obviously there aren't going to be enough apartments. (Compare to 40 percent of S.F.)
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