Library ethics (design, activity, nuisance)

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by looker009

Libraries were quiet area. People were going there to do research, read books etc. That is no longer the case. Purpose of library been changing for a while now. Societal expectation is irrelevant. Everyone is free to their opinion so if something thinks for example i am a jerk, that is totally fine with me.

https://www.nypl.org/help/about-nypl...nd-regulations

The New York Public Library General Rules & Regulations

"The following are NOT allowed at The New York Public Library:

Engaging in conduct that disrupts or interferes with normal operation of the Library, or that disturbs staff or other Library visitors. Such conduct includes:
Harassing or threatening behavior.
Using obscene or abusive language or gestures.
Making unreasonable noise, including loud talking on a cell phone or otherwise."

Library of Congress:

"Silence cell phones and other electronic devices."

"The use of photographic equipment, including tripods and selfie sticks, is prohibited. Please follow the Photography and Video Guidelines."

https://www.loc.gov/static/portals/v...Guidelines.pdf

University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign

https://www.library.illinois.edu/gen...ng_guidelines/

"Because the mission of the University Library is to provide and promote an atmosphere conducive to teaching, learning, and research, we reserve the right to limit photographic, video, or audio recording activities to assure that this atmosphere is maintained. These guidelines apply to spaces inside Library facilities."

"The Library reserves the right to ask any individual or group to cease photographic, video, or audio recording, and, if appropriate, to refer individuals or groups to campus Public Affairs. Individuals or groups who refuse to cease recording upon request by an authorized Library staff member will be considered in breach of the University Library Patron Conduct Policy."

And many more.

[ryanms3030]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

https://www.nypl.org/help/about-nypl...nd-regulations

The New York Public Library General Rules & Regulations

"The following are NOT allowed at The New York Public Library:

Engaging in conduct that disrupts or interferes with normal operation of the Library, or that disturbs staff or other Library visitors. Such conduct includes:
Harassing or threatening behavior.
Using obscene or abusive language or gestures.
Making unreasonable noise, including loud talking on a cell phone or otherwise."

Library of Congress:

"Silence cell phones and other electronic devices."

"The use of photographic equipment, including tripods and selfie sticks, is prohibited. Please follow the Photography and Video Guidelines."

https://www.loc.gov/static/portals/v...Guidelines.pdf

University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign

https://www.library.illinois.edu/gen...ng_guidelines/

"Because the mission of the University Library is to provide and promote an atmosphere conducive to teaching, learning, and research, we reserve the right to limit photographic, video, or audio recording activities to assure that this atmosphere is maintained. These guidelines apply to spaces inside Library facilities."

"The Library reserves the right to ask any individual or group to cease photographic, video, or audio recording, and, if appropriate, to refer individuals or groups to campus Public Affairs. Individuals or groups who refuse to cease recording upon request by an authorized Library staff member will be considered in breach of the University Library Patron Conduct Policy."

And many more.

Yes but looker's point that because non of those rules are laws that he or she doesn't have to follow them. That is sense of entitlement in our culture of people of a certain generation that is ruining life for the rest of us

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by ryanms3030

Yes but looker's point that because non of those rules are laws that he or she doesn't have to follow them. That is sense of entitlement in our culture of people of a certain generation that is ruining life for the rest of us

True, but if he goes to a library and pokes his camera in the face of someone who does not want to be photographed he might find himself face to face with law enforcement.

[looker009]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

True, but if he goes to a library and pokes his camera in the face of someone who does not want to be photographed he might find himself face to face with law enforcement.

Had that happened already, staff called the cops and got educated. Cops told them that library is public property being it's owned by the city. There is no expectation of privacy in public. Also being i was not doing this for commercial purpose and instead doing if for the press, i was permitted to do it under 1st amendment. After that cops left and i continued to film.

[IamaGoodCitizen]

Originally Posted by looker009

Depending on the area OP was in, it's very possible that the person wasn't violating any laws by using cell phone as it was consider to be general area and not area designed to be quiet area.

It's a study area where everyone was reading books or working on their laptop. I was in the library for almost 2 hours. Other than the cellphone lady, I didn't see any other disturbances. There were some students doing the group study, a table next to me. Even they were whispering only.

I am assuming talking louder inside the library may not necessarily be a law and so the cellphone lady may not be violating any. But to me being reasonably quiet in the library is not about whether it's law or not, it's about common sense. I have seen few library guests talking in the cellphone all the time, but they talk in a way that no could hear, which don't bother the other guests.

Also I respect the first amendment. One of the freedom is, you can record whatever you see as long as it is a public property. But I don't know whether talking loud in a library and disrupting other guests comes under this.

[looker009]

Originally Posted by IamaGoodCitizen

It's a study area where everyone was reading books or working on their laptop. I was in the library for almost 2 hours. Other than the cellphone lady, I didn't see any other disturbances. There were some students doing the group study, a table next to me. Even they were whispering only.

I am assuming talking louder inside the library may not necessarily be a law and so the cellphone lady may not be violating any. But to me being reasonably quiet in the library is not about whether it's law or not, it's about common sense. I have seen few library guests talking in the cellphone all the time, but they talk in a way that no could hear, which don't bother the other guests.

Also I respect the first amendment. One of the freedom is, you can record whatever you see as long as it is a public property. But I don't know whether talking loud in a library and disrupting other guests comes under this.

Just because it was disturbing you does not mean this person was not free to do what she was doing. Many library have private room that are designed to be quiet room.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by looker009

Just because it was disturbing you does not mean this person was not free to do what she was doing. Many library have private room that are designed to be quiet room.

The expectation in a library is that a patron will not do anything that will disturb other patrons. The person talking loudly was doing that.

[looker009]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

The expectation on a library is that a patron will not do anything that will disturb other patrons. The person talking loudly was doing that.

You do understand that this people are in public? Library do create a lot of rules and people generally comply with them because they are told to comply regardless if the law actually says you must comply. What i am saying, this person wasn't required to actually comply with that expectation.

[IamaGoodCitizen]

Originally Posted by looker009

Just because it was disturbing you does not mean this person was not free to do what she was doing. Many library have private room that are designed to be quiet room.

Kind of my point. Your point is, one person is free to do anything as long as it don't violate the law. My point is the same, but I am adding to that saying, common sense also to be applied. We live in a society.

Each library have 3 or 4 quiet rooms with a window of 2 hours and they get booked quick. So not everyone could have access to that.

[looker009]

Originally Posted by IamaGoodCitizen

Kind of my point. Your point is, one person is free to do anything as long as it don't violate the law. My point is the same, but I am adding to that saying, common sense also to be applied. We live in a society.

Each library have 3 or 4 quiet rooms with a window of 2 hours and they get booked quick. So not everyone could have access to that.

Yes i agree i do live in society but each person is free to make decision if they want to follow common sense society rules or not.