North Woods Law: New Hampshire

[kevin5098]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

Obviously you've never dealt with crooked cops. Crooked cops are extremely dangerous.

Tell us about your experiences with crooked cops.

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by kevin5098

They don't get in my house without a warrant. I call State police if they refuse to vacate. If I let them in I am enabling.

A little civics lesson: there are three co-equal branches of government, two of which often work closely in concert. The Legislative, the Executive and the Judicial. You know what each one does, I would hope. They are also equally self-protective. The prosecutors (local DA, State AG, U.S. Atty) are in the same branch ("justice") as all police and other executive branch employees. A State police officer is unlikely to protect you from another law enforcement officer. They work on the same side. In fact, it is the JOB of the police to violate the Constitution and push it as far as they can get away with. It is the JOB of prosecutors to argue against the Constitution when someone's Constitutional Rights have been violated, even though they all swore to uphold and defend the Constitution. Police training includes instruction on "writing up" defendant's cases and using the correct terminology to recover from a possible Constitutional violation of the 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th or 14th Amendments. This is where Miranda and many, many other cases from the Supreme Court arise. So no, calling the State police could just buy you a beat-down. It would certainly alert one more aspect of the Executive Branch of the situation. They don't generally police each other.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by Maineac

A little civics lesson: there are three co-equal branches of government, two of which often work closely in concert. The Legislative, the Executive and the Judicial. You know what each one does, I would hope. They are also equally self-protective. The prosecutors (local DA, State AG, U.S. Atty) are in the same branch ("justice") as all police and other executive branch employees. A State police officer is unlikely to protect you from another law enforcement officer. They work on the same side. In fact, it is the JOB of the police to violate the Constitution and push it as far as they can get away with. It is the JOB of prosecutors to argue against the Constitution when someone's Constitutional Rights have been violated, even though they all swore to uphold and defend the Constitution. Police training includes instruction on "writing up" defendant's cases and using the correct terminology to recover from a possible Constitutional violation of the 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th or 14th Amendments. This is where Miranda and many, many other cases from the Supreme Court arise. So no, calling the State police could just buy you a beat-down. It would certainly alert one more aspect of the Executive Branch of the situation. They don't generally police each other.

Source?

[kevin5098]

Originally Posted by Maineac

A little civics lesson: there are three co-equal branches of government, two of which often work closely in concert. The Legislative, the Executive and the Judicial. You know what each one does, I would hope. They are also equally self-protective. The prosecutors (local DA, State AG, U.S. Atty) are in the same branch ("justice") as all police and other executive branch employees. A State police officer is unlikely to protect you from another law enforcement officer. They work on the same side. In fact, it is the JOB of the police to violate the Constitution and push it as far as they can get away with. It is the JOB of prosecutors to argue against the Constitution when someone's Constitutional Rights have been violated, even though they all swore to uphold and defend the Constitution. Police training includes instruction on "writing up" defendant's cases and using the correct terminology to recover from a possible Constitutional violation of the 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th or 14th Amendments. This is where Miranda and many, many other cases from the Supreme Court arise. So no, calling the State police could just buy you a beat-down. It would certainly alert one more aspect of the Executive Branch of the situation. They don't generally police each other.

You handle drunken, home invading wardens your way and I will handle them my way.

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Source?

Experience. A guy is arrested for . . . possession of a controlled substance. Pulled over in his car because he had out of state plates, police claim his eyes were "glassy," pull him out and search the car, find marijuana, arrest him. The take him to the station, book him, take pictures (and his eyes aren't "glassy"), and he admits to using marijuana without being Mirandized. Pulling him over for the out of state plates doesn't rise to probable cause, or even reasonable suspicion of him committing a crime, and the alleged glassy eyes didn't happen until after the stop. In order to hang onto the possession charge, they have to "write up" the stop sufficiently creatively to convince a judge that there was probable cause to stop. It happens every day. Ever wonder why police testimonial descriptions are often word for word the same? "I then proceeded to exit the . . ." It's training. Don't want to lose that case over a Conlaw violation. I won't go over everything else. You want to see Constitutional Rights violations, watch "Cops" on TV. Someone not struggling or fighting gets a boot on their neck, then the obligatory shoulder dislocation by yanking someone off the ground by the hand cuffs or upper arm while their hands are cuffed behind their back. It's how you mete out "justice" without getting into trouble. Training. But hey, a large part of society believes "they're all guilty of something." My buddy the ex-Deputy DA used that as his catch phrase when he got a conviction that he KNEW he probably shouldn't have gotten. The executive branch (DA) has to back up the executive branch (LEO), even when they know they're wrong, except in the most egregious cases where they might get dirty (e.g., the Maine AAG that got caught with child porn) if they don't prosecute. It's a fact of life, and people are simply people. Putting anyone on pedestals just because of what job they do is highly fallacious.

[toosie]

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