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Old 10-31-2012, 09:42 AM
 
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Romney made a great point for why you should vote for him at the RNC Convention; lower taxes, less regulations, lower spending and a balanced budget. Unfortunately, he cannot, excuse me, does not want to articulate how he will pay for his tax plan. Most studies have shown that the math doesn't add up. He'd have to cut a bunch of programs and tax exemptions to pay for it.
I agree. This is basically what I mean by fairy tales. Lower taxes, less spending, and a balanced budget sounds nice and all, but I think he should demonstrate some possible way of getting us there. His tax plan and increase in defense spending add significantly to the deficit and he hasn't articulated anything that he wants to cut besides PBS and Planned Parenthood which aren't even pennies in the grand scheme of things.
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:09 AM
 
Location: DMV
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Dream Act- I'm not pro illegal immigration, but I am pro college education, so I'm torn. In the end I will probably vote to help people get an education and become productive members of society rather than keep them in a hidden underclass. Again there still needs to be an effort to reform our immigration laws by whoever is the next president.
There are many people who feel the way you feel. I certainly understand the desire to help others, but couldn't you accomplish the same goal by just opening up a scholarship fund for those individuals, instead of using taxpayers money? Is that where we are in this country that we can be so passionate about something, but when it comes down to it, wouldn't put our own money down to help these individuals that we are defending? I'm all for people getting an education too, but the law doesn't solve other issues that these individuals will have to face. Once they finish their degrees they will struggle to obtain jobs because of their legal status. I've always been an advocate of pushing these young people towards becoming legal citizens (which is still possible) and making that process easier, rather than getting them a discount off of taxpayers pockets. At least by getting them legal status, they will not have to have any more hurdles after that.
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Old 10-31-2012, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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I can't vote but if I could...

Redistricting: Hell no, as with all gerrymandering it's nothing more than a power play by O'Malley and his team of moonbats to try and secure far-left dominance in Maryland for years to come.

Dream Act: Don't know how I'd vote on this one.

Gay Marriage: Yes. Get with the times. I literally cannot think of any argument against gay marriage that isn't a slippery slope fallacy or based on religion. The libertarian in me can't vote no, the sensible decent person in me can't vote no. I've got gay friends and it angers me that there are people who want to deny them the happiness of a marriage because of ancient beliefs.

Casinos: Probably yes.

President: Obama or Johnson.
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Old 10-31-2012, 07:07 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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There are many people who feel the way you feel. I certainly understand the desire to help others, but couldn't you accomplish the same goal by just opening up a scholarship fund for those individuals, instead of using taxpayers money? Is that where we are in this country that we can be so passionate about something, but when it comes down to it, wouldn't put our own money down to help these individuals that we are defending? I'm all for people getting an education too, but the law doesn't solve other issues that these individuals will have to face. Once they finish their degrees they will struggle to obtain jobs because of their legal status. I've always been an advocate of pushing these young people towards becoming legal citizens (which is still possible) and making that process easier, rather than getting them a discount off of taxpayers pockets. At least by getting them legal status, they will not have to have any more hurdles after that.
We need to think about the American students, even out of state American students, who do not get to go to college, or go to their desired school, just because that spot was taken by an illegal alien. People argue we can find extra spaces for these illegals. Well there is no shortage of young American citizens trying very hard to get a college education. if any addditional spots can be opened, they should go to Americans. If you are an illegal, you are not even supposed to be here. Everything that you have in America is the result of your crime and should not be yours. Its plain and simple. And yall notice how this Dream Act doesn't just apply to this one pack of 100 or so illegal students who were brought here before a certain year? It will apply indefinitely and benefit repeated waves of illegal aliens.
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Old 10-31-2012, 07:10 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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I agree with casinos. It WILL create new additional jobs if table games are added to every casino in the state. I don't see how it can hurt anyone except the other wealthy casino owners.
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Old 10-31-2012, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Salisbury, MD
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I can't vote but if I could...

Redistricting: Hell no, as with all gerrymandering it's nothing more than a power play by O'Malley and his team of moonbats to try and secure far-left dominance in Maryland for years to come.

Dream Act: Don't know how I'd vote on this one.

Gay Marriage: Yes. Get with the times. I literally cannot think of any argument against gay marriage that isn't a slippery slope fallacy or based on religion. The libertarian in me can't vote no, the sensible decent person in me can't vote no. I've got gay friends and it angers me that there are people who want to deny them the happiness of a marriage because of ancient beliefs.

Casinos: Probably yes.

President: Obama or Johnson.
No offense, but anybody who votes for a 3rd party ticket is just wasting their vote. Instead of choosing to be "ironic" by voting for a 3rd party, why not actually influence the process and vote for the 2 established candidates?

Why waste a vote on some crazy dude from New Mexico who has virtually NO chance of winning?
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Old 10-31-2012, 09:57 PM
 
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No offense, but anybody who votes for a 3rd party ticket is just wasting their vote. Instead of choosing to be "ironic" by voting for a 3rd party, why not actually influence the process and vote for the 2 established candidates?

Why waste a vote on some crazy dude from New Mexico who has virtually NO chance of winning?
Voting for someone you do not believe in is a waste of a vote. That is exactly why we are stuck with two unfit candidates because its the cool thing to vote the status quo. No one votes with their common sense anymore. They vote based on party affiliation or the appearance of the individual. One candidate can't make up his mind on anything and the other merely repeats himself over and over and over with minimal results. At least the crazy dude in New Mexico is not in favor of getting the country in another pointless war, served two terms as a governor of New Mexico and left the state with a huge surplus.

"The two-party system has given this country the war of Lyndon Johnson, the Watergate of Nixon, and the incompetence of Carter. Saying we should keep the two-party system simply because it is working is like saying the Titanic voyage was a success because a few people survived on life rafts"
Eugene J. McCarthy.

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Old 10-31-2012, 11:24 PM
 
Location: Salisbury, MD
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Voting for someone you do not believe in is a waste of a vote. That is exactly why we are stuck with two unfit candidates because its the cool thing to vote the status quo. No one votes with their common sense anymore. They vote based on party affiliation or the appearance of the individual. One candidate can't make up his mind on anything and the other merely repeats himself over and over and over with minimal results. At least the crazy dude in New Mexico is not in favor of getting the country in another pointless war, served two terms as a governor of New Mexico and left the state with a huge surplus.

"The two-party system has given this country the war of Lyndon Johnson, the Watergate of Nixon, and the incompetence of Carter. Saying we should keep the two-party system simply because it is working is like saying the Titanic voyage was a success because a few people survived on life rafts"
Eugene J. McCarthy.
*Yawn*

Spare me the same generic-watered down crap you copy and pasted from some little blog. This country has a multi-party system, but because we have rules, it's a 2 party system. Not my fault the other parties can't gain visibility.

But if you want to waste your vote on some idiot, then good for you! I'll make change the traditional way.
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Old 11-01-2012, 05:23 AM
 
Location: DMV
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We need to think about the American students, even out of state American students, who do not get to go to college, or go to their desired school, just because that spot was taken by an illegal alien. People argue we can find extra spaces for these illegals. Well there is no shortage of young American citizens trying very hard to get a college education. if any addditional spots can be opened, they should go to Americans. If you are an illegal, you are not even supposed to be here. Everything that you have in America is the result of your crime and should not be yours. Its plain and simple. And yall notice how this Dream Act doesn't just apply to this one pack of 100 or so illegal students who were brought here before a certain year? It will apply indefinitely and benefit repeated waves of illegal aliens.
Wholeheartedly agree. I think the fact that the state cut back on scholarship programs two years ago and then a few weeks later proposed this was a slap in the face. We don't have the means to give free education to those who haven't done it the legal route.
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Old 11-01-2012, 05:31 AM
 
Location: NYC
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No offense, but anybody who votes for a 3rd party ticket is just wasting their vote. Instead of choosing to be "ironic" by voting for a 3rd party, why not actually influence the process and vote for the 2 established candidates?

Why waste a vote on some crazy dude from New Mexico who has virtually NO chance of winning?
How is it being ironic to vote for somone you believe in? It's only ironic to those who expect you to choose a or b. Sorry, right-wingers always rail on about the virtue of competition in the marketplace; I think the same should be applied to the ballot.

Have you actually read up on Gary Johnson? He isn't my candidate but he's far from "some crazy dude." I think you called yourself a "conservative democrat" once; Johnson was elected and reelected in New Mexico (a blue state) as a Republican. I'm surprsied his policies don't interest you.

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