New Bay Bridge Proposals (Frederick, Bowie: neighborhoods, safe, eat)

[Rufus Clay Banger]

Gov. Hogan has already said there is only one option he would accept - a third span adjacent to the current span. No other option will be considered.

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by Rufus Clay Banger

Gov. Hogan has already said there is only one option he would accept - a third span adjacent to the current span. No other option will be considered.

At the end of the day that's the logical location. The connecting infrastructure is more or less in place.

A southern crossing from Calvert to Dorchester was a nonstarter from the get go. Route 4 is a bottleneck now and below just north of Prince Frederick to the end of the road you have wetlands issues on both sides of the road. Then you have the issue of increased traffic past CCNPP and the Dominion LNG plant. The Thomas Johnson bridge in Solomon's is slated for replacement, someday, but that replacement isn't going to be an expansion but just a lower bridge.

In Dorchester there are no roads on that side so you'd have to totally construct connectors over there and then you have even more wetlands problems at that end.

Realistically we're talking twenty (20) years, or more, out. I'll be 85.

[Digger 68]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

At the end of the day that's the logical location. The connecting infrastructure is more or less in place.

A southern crossing from Calvert to Dorchester was a nonstarter from the get go. Route 4 is a bottleneck now and below just north of Prince Frederick to the end of the road you have wetlands issues on both sides of the road. Then you have the issue of increased traffic past CCNPP and the Dominion LNG plant. The Thomas Johnson bridge in Solomon's is slated for replacement, someday, but that replacement isn't going to be an expansion but just a lower bridge.

In Dorchester there are no roads on that side so you'd have to totally construct connectors over there and then you have even more wetlands problems at that end.

Realistically we're talking twenty (20) years, or more, out. I'll be 85.

I thought you already were?

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by Digger 68

I thought you already were?

Just the heart and lungs.

[SpikeMilligan's Alter Ego]

Originally Posted by Rufus Clay Banger

Gov. Hogan has already said there is only one option he would accept - a third span adjacent to the current span. No other option will be considered.

The Guv may not be the ultimate arbiter, and Guvs don't always get their way.

[Cruzincat]

Originally Posted by MrRational

I haven't been following the story much but do any of the route suggestions
address providing for the truck traffic separately from the auto traffic?

The third span adjacent to the existing two could be used in that manner a good bit of the time.

[Cruzincat]

Originally Posted by SpikeMilligan's Alter Ego

You're falling into the same trap Hogan is accused of falling into. You're deciding before the study is complete. The Hogan option could be better in the short term, while another option might be better in the longer term. They had the same issue with Metro to Dulles, (underground or overground thru Tysons), and they went with short term savings, that will cost more over the life of the project. It's a reasonable debate to have.

I studied it close while I lived on Kent Island and worked all over the western shore commuting at different times of the day for over 12 years. I addressed a better long term option in the post you quoted. It had short term shortcomings, primarily the cost due to environmental issues. Did you only read the first sentence that you bolded and read my mind, or try to anyway, before you condemned my post?

Edit: I am curious. How does one become a “Senior Member” after 5 months and 208 posts. What is going on with CD these days?

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by Cruzincat

I studied it close while I lived on Kent Island and worked all over the western shore commuting at different times of the day for over 12 years. I addressed a better long term option in the post you quoted. It had short term shortcomings, primarily the cost due to environmental issues. Did you only read the first sentence that you bolded and read my mind, or try to anyway, before you condemned my post?

Edit: I am curious. How does one become a “Senior Member” after 5 months and 208 posts. What is going on with CD these days?

You just gave me, like a dozen more grey hairs. I have been a member since Jan. 2007, almost 13 years ago. I'm not the most senior member that frequents here, am I?

[SpikeMilligan's Alter Ego]

Originally Posted by Cruzincat

I studied it close while I lived on Kent Island and worked all over the western shore commuting at different times of the day for over 12 years. I addressed a better long term option in the post you quoted. It had short term shortcomings, primarily the cost due to environmental issues. Did you only read the first sentence that you bolded and read my mind, or try to anyway, before you condemned my post?

Edit: I am curious. How does one become a “Senior Member” after 5 months and 208 posts. What is going on with CD these days?

You seem to be a hotNbotherd class of individual, nice to have you along.

I didn't "condemn" your post. I challenged the first sentence, and ignored the rest.

No, I didn't just read the first sentence of your post that I bolded. I read the entire post. I bolded because it suggested to me that you had not read the piece about reaction to the tweet, and were dismissing the views expressed therein as political correctness gone awry. I hold a different view.

I ignored the opinion portion of your post on an outer bypass because irrespective of the merits, or otherwise, that timeline is even further out than a bridge replacement.

Where can I find the methodology and results of your years of close study?
I know zero, and care less, about senior member status. Quality over quantity perhaps?

[Cruzincat]

Originally Posted by SpikeMilligan's Alter Ego

You seem to be a hotNbotherd class of individual, nice to have you along.

I didn't "condemn" your post. I challenged the first sentence, and ignored the rest.

No, I didn't just read the first sentence of your post that I bolded. I read the entire post. I bolded because it suggested to me that you had not read the piece about reaction to the tweet, and were dismissing the views expressed therein as political correctness gone awry. I hold a different view.

I ignored the opinion portion of your post on an outer bypass because irrespective of the merits, or otherwise, that timeline is even further out than a bridge replacement.

Where can I find the methodology and results of your years of close study?
I know zero, and care less, about senior member status. Quality over quantity perhaps?

you on the other hand seem to be a self absorbed individual.

My study was done in my own mind while crossing over the bridge on a regular basis as well as sitting at home reading about all the proposed solutions and thinking long term toward a bypass that will eventually become necessary. Disregarding the “further out” nature of needed infrastructure is what causes solutions to cost more over a longer period of time. You must work somewhere in Maryland government.